Multiple explosions rock London

[Ronley]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

Multiple explosions rock London
'Terrible injuries' reported in blasts

Thursday, July 7, 2005; Posted: 6:08 a.m. EDT (10:08 GMT)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Near simultaneous explosions rocked the London Underground network and three buses at the morning rush hour, police said, causing injuries and prompting officials to shut down the entire underground transport network.

Some media reports said there were fatalities.

The explosions came a day after London was awarded the 2012 Olympics and as the G8 summit was getting underway in Scotland. Initial reports blamed a power surge, but officials were not ruling out a terrorist attack.

"There have been a number of dreadful incidents across London today," said Home Secreatary Charles Clarke, Britain's top law enforcement officer. He said there were "terrible injuries."

The Tube blasts at the height of the rush hour on Thursday were initially blamed on a power surge.

But amid the chaos eyewitnesses reported that a packed double decker bus in the Russell Square area had been severely damaged in a blast.

A second bus was reported to have been damaged in Tavistock Square.

Describing the Russell Square blast, eyewitness Belinda Seabrook told the UK Press Association she saw an explosion rip through the bus as it approached the Square.

"I was on the bus in front and heard an incredible bang, I turned round and half the double decker bus was in the air," she said.

She said the bus was travelling from Euston to Russell Square and had been "packed" with people turned away from Tube stops.

Travellers emerged from underground tunnels covered in blood and soot. Scotland Yard declared the emergency a "major incident."

Emergency services were called to London's Liverpool Street Station after reports of an explosion shortly before 9 a.m.

A short while later, London Underground said there had been "another incident at Edgware Road" station in north west London.

Copyright 2005 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Guest]

Damn those terrorist sons of bitches to the lowest hell.
I hope my London buddies are safe

:badday:

[Bigmone357]

Yes This is just a disaster there is alot of victims I hear.This is a show from terrorist that they are still out there alive & well.Doesn't look like the war on terrorism is working they better go back to the drawing board.I hope nobody that comes here got hurt or worse may Jah bless londonians & help them recover. Bm357

[GMT]

7 blasts, 6 underground tube stations and a bus.
The stock markets were doing too well, the terrorists will make a packet out of the fall. Did anyone notice last nights dow dip, someone knew something.

[Guest]

7 blasts, 6 underground tube stations and a bus.
The stock markets were doing too well, the terrorists will make a packet out of the fall. Did anyone notice last nights dow dip, someone knew something.

Someone always knows something.. :fsu:
Wonder why the terrorists didnt attack on the Live8 gig day. I mean good that they didn't, but if u'r pickin' yer spots to do the most damage..
Maybe they wanted to shock the city that got the olympics? i dont think this was coincidence..
Trying to get hold of my London pals but the cellular lines there seem to be down or busy all the time.. No wonder tho.
Well just gotta hope everyone is safe

[Growdoc]

This is some bad shit!!!

Why do people wanna kill...all parties included

Growdoc

[Guest]

Hoping londoners are ok...

[Guest]

Our thoughts and prayers are with all our Brittish friends during these most difficult times.

[Bigmone357]

This is some bad shit!!!

Why do people wanna kill...all parties included

GrowdocThey love to kill just like we love to grow weed they have their own websites just like we have this weed forum.They are very slick & stealthy just like us accept they do bad things we don't.Peace Bm357

[chuckyoufarley]

hoping all our london friends and any of our ICMAG family that might be in the area
are all OK was is the world so full of ASSHOLES ,we need a great big FLUSH HANDLE
on the earth so we can rid our selves of these cowardly pieces of shit

[Dutchgrown]

Has been a shocking morning here. :yoinks: All tranportation is shut down now (trains & busses)
and the army has been called in to greater London. There are still people trapped
in underground trains that they are trying to reach (King's Cross tube station).
PM Blair just on TV, he's leaving the G8 and coming to London to assess things.

Very sad state of affairs here :badday: Damn those who did this! :mad:

dg

[Guest]

Word over here is that its been vindicated by Al Qaeda.

Are you two OK Dutch?

Hope the other Brit ICers are doing well. This is all just awful. For my friends in the London area, I'm in Italy, but if there's anything at all I can do for you please let me know!

[cooked cook]

these mofos play by no rules. hittin public transports in morning rush is some buuuuuullllshite.
Hope there aren't too many casualties. To our English buds...sorry to hear it. Best thing you can do is go back to living your lives as normal(as much as possible).Screw these terrorist wankers.
cc

[Sleepy]

these people make me sick!

i hope that when they are found, they just hang 'em.

no trials. :bat:

tis a sad day.

[glasspackedbowl]

I feel for ya being in the states I know how this bad shit is now. Its not cool. Hope everything get right again quick. I will have a smoke for you all and watch tv as it gets better. Bush just got off our tv doing a live statement. So I feel this is not good. Watch them start hitting everybody else not just the us. Then will you all help us(talking to the world). I went on there for a while Im stoned. So this will sink in further. I hope this doesnt affect any of the seeds stores or slow delivery times.

[Guest]

My thoughts and prayers go out to our UK firends.

[Dr. D]

its a shame they target the public wen its the government that they are supposed to be targeting...im gonna go ring true and Marley make sure they are cool...peace

[Guest]

We (stankbud and I) got up at 5:30am CDT, turned on the news, and this was the first thing we saw. Unfortunately, we can believe it happened. Not the first terrorist attack, and won't be the last.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those who were hurt or killed in this tragedy.

[Xsmoker]

Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those who were hurt or killed in this tragedy.

Same here- very unfortunate.

[truecannabliss]

Me and Marley are cool, as are families. So sad.......still shock and panic at the moment in london.
Peace

[GMT]

Is it still too early to look at conspiracy theories?

[Dr. D]

Is it still too early to look at conspiracy theories? its never too early to look at conspiracy theories!
PROBLEM>REACTION>SOLUTION

[m.steelers]

All those in London are in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong.

MS

[dubmantx]

FUCKING COWARDS!!! Why is it only civilians that ever get hurt? Are these fuckin terrorists so stupid that they cant figure out a stratigic military target? Shit! My thoughts go out to all people involved and everyone in London. I hope we can find the people responsible for this and castrate them!

[Guest]

the wife and I travel through Liverpool street & Bank Station almost everyday to work - Luckily today she was early , and I was late - Tommorrow morning, if the transport systems back up we'll be travelling through there again - A big two fingers to the assholes who did this. Terrorism doesn't work, I'm not scared, just disgusted.

[Dutchgrown]

Good to see you post pittbull....was just wondering about you
and yours! Whewwww, thanks for checking in!
Glad you and mrs. are okay!!!!

dg

[Brushtail]

I was coming home from work and as i got thorugh the door i was hit with this news, I sat there nearly in tears. How could people do this ? how can they justify this even through religion ? why ... :(

brushtail

[Guest]

FUCKING COWARDS!!! Why is it only civilians that ever get hurt? Are these fuckin terrorists so stupid that they cant figure out a stratigic military target? Shit! My thoughts go out to all people involved and everyone in London. I hope we can find the people responsible for this and castrate them!

They are attacking civilians for the exposure and shock value.
Think about it. You nuke a military complex in some hidden army training ground.. No one will hear/know about it. But u kill 200 innocent people.. U'r in the news for a long time. Plus if there's a guy with a rifle and an unarmed dude and you feel like fighting someone.. Most ppl would pick the unarmed guy to battle with.
I think world war one was the first war that claimed more civilian lifes then soldiers. Since then it's just gotten worse. This terrorist war thing is the new wave of war. The terrorists know that they dont stand a change against modern, well trained & armed troops. So they attack civilians.
Sad, but true.

[Guest]

Its pretty fuckin sad when people justify killing innocent people of all kinds in the name of Allah.

I wish there was a simple way to wipe the earth clean of scum like that.

[dubmantx]

These terrorists havent brought it to my neck of the woods. Everyone in small town Texas is armed and dangerous!
Anyways it is bullshit trying to justify murder using your religion. And its not just Muslims that are using there religion as an excuse. All these supposed Religious people need to open there eyes and realize that all the damn religions are the same fucking thing and all thats different is about where you grew up. In my opinion More people have sent themselfs to hell in the name of religion than have ever been saved.

Again our thoughts are with the victims of this tragedy. Maybe the next generation will be more tollerant of each other.

[GMT]

The next generation may be more concerned with building "Arks".

Well who will oppose ID cards now?
If G8 doesn't accomplish anything other than transfering Africas debt to people who can afford to pay it, us, who can blame the PM as he wasn't there?
This will be used to justify additional stop searches, putting pressure upon undesirables to up and move away.
This will reduce the public horror of the cash that is being thrown into iraq etc.
I imagine we will see armed police in the Capital now.

I expected something like this but thought that it would be done in a way to clear a new building site for the olympics, guess they have cutbacks everywhere now.

This opens the gates to a conspiracy theory and should not be taken as my statement of fact, just an excercise in logic, and sarcasm.
I asked for the general concensus first and no one has objected, if someone does let me know and I'll remove it. I seriously don't want to cause any distres to anyone with this, I just think these things are interesting.

[Guest]

first, my most sincere condolences for all those who fell victim to this horrible tragedy,

especially all those who died, may their ascension to Heaven be swift,

but nonetheless,

let's not be ignorant like our gov's and try to blame religion:
it's refusal to to mind our own business that got us fucked by our owner's, err politician's actions.

does anybody in the US, Canada or England really give a fuck if Muslim's run Palestine, or if there's a Palestine, for that matter? does anybody in the fore-stated countries care if the ruler's of Mid-East countries are corrupt as our's are and fuck them daily?

nope. and as long as we let our soldiers be the enforcers of corrupt leader's/policie's, we can expect our people to be the victims of an unjust war.

the terrorists will always strike the weak. it's not like we do much different. and i support Bush and our military. may God bless.

btw - dubman - i'm from TX too, and we don't mass transit as much here, but you can bet if similar attacks happened to the DART system and Grayhound busses all the gun's sitting at home would do no good. we need to change our policy so these people leave us alone. that simple.

[GMT]

Surely it's a difference of opinion that drives the search for truth.
I would rather the middle east was different from the west and the east. Its only a pity that the south havent devloped a different culture too. The problem is we use more oil than they do and they have more than we do. So we need to keep them down in order to force trade at advantagous terms. And if you think that's unfair, could you and everyone else you know afford to pay 5 times more for every product you buy? And if you think that it's a good idea, why are you so suprised when some of them object in a way we would rather they didn't. Some of them will have seen their own family die possibly at the hands of the west. Just as any of us would kill anyone who killed a member of our family, they probably feel the same way. And just as I have read some of you calling for them to be wiped out, I wonder if you can really separate the terroists from the general islamic population, just as some of them seem to have a problem telling the average joe from mr big in the west.
This is a terrible situation that no one put into place but rather evolved. The solutions are not easy, but calling for death is not a good way forward no matter who you are.

[bartender187]

terrible news... hoping everyone's ok... :fsu:

[JLP]

GOD bless England.


They have been our best friends and allies for the last 100 years,which they have proven numerous times.They have our back and we have theirs.

Can you imagine the celebrations that will be taking place in the Middle East today?
The people who will take pleasure in this?The people who will see the pictures of the dead and be filled with pride the same way they did on 911?

Oh I know,Islam means peace,all muslims are good people,it's only a small amout of radicals,blah blah blah.I'm sure we'll get an earfull of the "islam means peace" mantra over the next few days.
"Islam" means submission in the Arabic language,not peace.

Here's a couple links to just how peacefull and loving islam is:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4209463.stm



JLP

[Guest]

this sucks

[bartender187]

^^^
see... thats the thing.... we cant win... every step we take to "end" this violence only serves as propoganda for their cause.... we are fightin a loosin battle against an ideal.

they have declared "jihad" (God's war) against us... its about time we put down out sticks and bring out some carrots...

what those people did is wrong in every sense of the word... but by wanting to get back at them, we are just fuelin their cause.

my .02

[Blaze 1]

The members of the Joint Chiefs wish to express our deepest condolences and prayers to our friends and allies in the United Kingdom. Personally, I am livid. These people are the greatest manifestation of evil on the planet earth today.

I am a United States Marine. I served from 85-90. I remember the Iranian Hostage situation and the Murder of 243 United States Marines in Beirut. There is no justification for their acts of cowardice nor is there any reasoning with Terrorists.

[Guvnor]

An awful thing that happened today- Im just glad my family members and mates are safe and sound. Also my deepest sympathies to those of the families that lost loved ones.

With every action-there is a reaction, and these gutless bastards will get their dues.

All the best everyone
Guvnor

[Guest]

Ive spent a better part of a year dealing with the people who do stuff like this. It has shit to do with Oil or money. It has to do with jealousy. These people are jealous that there shit hole civilizations have been around for thousands of years yet in the year 2005 they are still living like it's the 9th century. Deep heart felt sorrow goes out to all my english Brothers and sisters, I hope you find the people responsible and deal with them useing extreme prejudice. It's a sad world we live in today and extreme measures are going to have to be takin to ensure our children can inherit a planet worth living on. I wish nothing but the best for you and you are all in my prayers tonight.

DM

[Harry Gypsna]

and so it goes on.... It is cowardly....but it could have been soo much worse.
Someone asked why they didnt attack on Live8 day......because a massive atricity(not that this wasnt an atrocity in itself!!) was obviously not the intention!
If you look and think this is simply them saying look, we can still get you, and all ur bullshit security means nothing. I dont thik this is by any means the big attack that we have all been expecting.
I bet some mosques and such will be attacked over here.....where i live there is a strong right wing precence-the BNP and their Ilk spouting their own brand of poison....this is just the kind of situation they capitalise on.....We have had rising racial and religious tensions in this country between the Asian community and every1 else now, there is fault on all sides.....I think things are going to kick off big time now....
My prayers are with the victims and their families....

[Guest]

this was aimed at the g8 summit and the fact that london won the olympic bid. i fell very sorry for everyone in england right now, especially those in london. i hope you all are safe and not hurt. i will be tryn to get a hold of a few peopole there to make sure..dg,gypsy and a few others i hope all is well and your not hurt nor worried. this was a complete act of cowardness. i can't believe this is happening. epecially since i will be in england in a few months. wow. i just hope this doenst escalate things for the future..its a shame that tensions are so high in the world..i fell for those and all of us stuck in the middle for no reason ....BV you be careful there in italy. thanks to good old berlsconi's nose up bushies ass italy is in danger of this same thing...i dont live there but i will be coming there in the coming months for my family and saint trafone. if there is one place i could not stand to see anything lke this happen to its italy...full italian always italain and forever italian...

sorry to those who suffered and are suffering cause of this stupid act of bullshit by some lame ass cowards.. everyone in england ,italy the netherland and really just europe in generl be safe and keep your heads up...

swerve

sorry for my ranting

[Fatboy]

how can they justify killing innocent ppl...then go and hide underground!!

and suicide bombers...wtf....ya think there a bit brainwashed??

these kind of actions deeply sadens me.....
for what its worth i'll say a prayer or three........



peace is the answer

[Guest]

My most heartfelt sympathy goes out to all that were injured in any way. They are tactical cowards at that. They know it requires a reaction from the US and the UK, and this is just what they want to keep their war going. This took a little longer to plan than just bombing the Live8 concert this will have a reaccuring anxiety for all who have to travel the public transit system in London and in America. They will get theirs when their lifes are over. Life is a gift remember, how you live it determines how things are in the after life.

I don't believe that killing them all is the answer. We only need them for one thing and that is their oil. What if we didn't need that?

Mo,

[wikidcalibudgrl]

first, my most sincere condolences for all those who fell victim to this horrible tragedy,

especially all those who died, may their ascension to Heaven be swift,

but nonetheless,

let's not be ignorant like our gov's and try to blame religion:
it's refusal to to mind our own business that got us fucked by our owner's, err politician's actions.....

What are you talkin about,,, we aren't "blaming religion" ,,,like our Gov:crazy: ,,, it's the terrorists themselves calling this "Jihad", and their Holy War,,, that's BS but that what They
think, not us... these ppl are brainwashed fools, hellbent on the death & destruction of anyone Not in their following or ANYONE who resides in "capitolist" societies,,,


:chin: just my :2cents:,,,,, hope everyone comes through this with a tougher resolve,, and as b4,, Keep a Stiff Upper Lip
All my best wishes to those affected by today's horrific event's :badday: :badday:

[halfbaked]

I just hope that all the brit ICer's are ok. I noticed that a few of you have already posted and thats good. Hopefully all the rest are well and will let us know soon.

[Guest]

"I hate violance but perhaps its time that we wipe out these murdering bastards for good !"

"these ppl are brainwashed fools, hellbent on the death & destruction of anyone Not in their following or ANYONE who resides in "capitolist" societies,,,
"

hey, genius, that's blaming religion. these people are hell bent on having Palestine as a sovereign nation and the concept of righteous rulers within their own countries. ask a Palestinian, or a Saudi, they'll tell you. and you're brain-washed if you don't believe that. the reality is we all want to be left alone, but if no one respects each other, and everyone tries to take advantage of each other, as another member pointed out the necessity to keep oil prices low in the West while Iraqi's are paying outrageously high prices, way above ours or Europe's,

and if you kill all the "terrorists and extremists" you make more of them by killing their cousins and brothers. DUH! the reality is that until we all decide that supporting Israel isn't more important than our own citizens' lives, then we've made walking targets of ourselves for Muslim's who believe they've been robbed of their land.

Read "Hegemony or Survival" by Noam Chomsky, educate yourself.

we all deserve sovereignty and freedom, regardless of our beliefs and skin color... this is the basic truth behind this web page and most struggles in the world. try to look at the full situation.

may God bless all the citizens of London as they endure this struggle. may our Prayers be with them.

[Guest]

btw, chant "death to islam" a little louder, maybe you can sound exactly like they do, since you're already using their short-sighted reasoning abilities. :(

[Guest]

Welcome to the land of unintended consequences. Look no further than your own polling places when you re-elected that shit Blair to the position that he led you to an illegal and unjust and pre-emptive war against a third world nation from. So, you want to talk all big and bad about death and retribution? Let's start here:



The IRAQ BODY COUNT Project

There are a minimum of 22,780 civillains dead (and counting) as a direct result of foreign military intervention in Iraq.

This is a human security project to establish an independent and comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in Iraq resulting directly from military action by the USA and its allies in 2003. In the current occupation phase this database includes all deaths which the Occupying Authority has a binding responsibility to prevent under the Geneva Conventions and Hague Regulations. This includes civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation. Results and totals are continually updated and made immediately available on this page and on various IBC counters which may be freely displayed on any website, where they will be automatically updated without further intervention. Casualty figures are derived solely from a comprehensive survey of online media reports. Where these sources report differing figures, the range (a minimum and a maximum) are given. All results are independently reviewed and error-checked by at least three members of the Iraq Body Count project team before publication.

The project takes as its starting point and builds upon the earlier work of Professor Marc Herold who has produced the most comprehensive tabulation of civilian deaths in the war on Afghanistan from October 2001 to the present, and the methodology has been designed in close consultation with him.

Professor Herold commented: “I strongly support this initiative. The counting of civilian dead looms ever more importantly for at least two reasons: military sources and their corporate mainstream media backers seek to portray the advent of precision guided weaponry as inflicting at most, minor, incidental civilian casualties when, in truth, such is is not the case; and the major source of opposition to these modern ‘wars’ remains an informed, articulate general public which retains a commitment to the international humanitarian covenants of war at a time when most organized bodies and so-called ‘experts’ have walked away from them”.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

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It sure is an eye opener when it hapens to you, eh?

[wikidcalibudgrl]

OK Tha Oil Baron~

:chin: where in my post was i SO rude to you GENIUS :moon: ? i wasn't insultin you, an don't remember saying anything about killing anyone
,,the hate in your post is Really UNCALLED for. For Real.
I was stating a FACT. The terrorists ( Al Quada and all their funky little offspring of terror groups) call this their Jihad.. they have ever since I can remember... so who is "blaming religion" here? Not me. Not my Gov, not any government as far as i ever heard,,,,and BTW,, who is being short-sightd here? cause you seem to have taken alot of quotes from alot of ppl in that post,,, just want you to qlarify your rantings,,, and try being nice ,,,geez

[JLP]

Close your eyes,click your heels and say "there's no place like home" and it will all go away.

Now let's all hold hands and sing songs.


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JLP

[wikidcalibudgrl]

Relax OIL! You say there killing cuz people stole there land?These assholes are comming from Syria ,Iran and Lebenon( and more than that).Who stole Syria from Syria?Why do they travel to different lands and murder women and children and alot of Muslims they murder too?I think you picked the wrong day to be Holier Than Thou and the wrong parties to be Holier Than Thou for. :badday:I chant death to Terrorists right now and loud as fuckin hell too! DWW


Right ON dww! :bat: :bat: :woohoo: :bat: :bat:

[JLP]

Terrorists are not born,they are created.


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JLP

[Guest]

DWW

No, your all in pain and anguish. I can't expect reasonableness from you at all, and rightly so. Remember, I've been there and in a way 100 times worse in death toll. (So have the Spaniards.) It's been almost four years and our personal scars have mostly healed with time. But I can begin to point out that I have realized we are all resonsible for our governments actions, past and present. Events like 9/11, 3/11 and now 7/7 (7/8 for you?) bring this home to a people mostly completely insulated from the effects of the "war on terrorism"

Fortunatly, someone left the "terrorism" minidisc in Bush the automaton so he could instill in you the same ringing words of encouragement he instills in us.

"We will find them. We will bring them to justice. And at the same time we will spread an ideology of hope and compassion that will overwhelm their ideology of hate,"

Makes you feel warm and cuddly all over, right?

[Dutchgrown]

Stereotyping people, or groups of people, based on religious
or ethnic background is against our forum guidelines.

One and only warning.

:badday:

dg

[Guest]

Um, who is that warning for DG? Been a lot of that in this thread.

[Dutchgrown]

I'm trying to keep this thread open...but I don't see it happening.

Forum Guidelines #4 clearly states: Repeated posts directed with hostility at a particular
person or group of people or their beliefs will be cause for banning.

In this case I don't think a rationale prudent person would construe this to mean the terrorists that conduct such activity as today. However, complete racial/ethnic and religious stereotyping is in conflict with our policy.

:mad:
dg

[Dutchgrown]

While I appreciate the desire to express displeasure with the events of today,
and those responsible for these horrific acts, it is not necessary to stereotype
in the process.
:badday:
dg

[GMT]

Some one quoted a couple of Noam Chomky's books but missed the most relevant one to todays situation, Letters from Lexington. And while speaking of brain washing, please read what he has to say about our society and the people who prosper in it.

[Fast Eddie]

..........

[Guest]

...When the Islamic Extremists said they would try to avenge Every Muslim death by Any means necessary I believed them. Didn't anyone else? The land stolen from Iraq was Kuwait in a shifty land deal with the British. True the developments in the UK are sad and I feel for the people and what took place was wrong in a civilian sense but all is fair in love and war. We guide bombs into Muslim countries and they retiliate with truck bombs. We mass Coalition Troops off their shores and they fly planes into our symbols of power and wealth. Berg sells Cell Phone relay antennas and gets his head cut off (What was he thinking??). They said they would do this to Military "Hard" targets and Civilian "soft" targets (because the civilians support muslims dying with their taxes paying for this War). No one thought they could touch the US and they did. People dying before their time is wrong no matter which side of the Political/Religious fence you sit on. A Muslim Mom mourns her childs death the same way a Christian one does. The Muslim Death Toll is still much higher. Many more people have died in the name of God than Allah. Expect more atrocities from both Sides.

[Dutchgrown]

Do not make posts that group ALL muslims, or ALL islamics or
ALL of any ethnic background or religion into one group.

Some don't listen.

dg

[truecannabliss]

Please lets keep this to support and positive comments.......im sure DG would rather spend her time more positivly than trying to keep this thread in line.
Peace

[Guest]

There is Nothing Positive about any of this wanton death and destruction.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Yes its all completely ghastly........if anything is to blame...(in my opinion) then it is religion.......christians and moslems have been fighting each other in the name of their respective gods for thousands of years.......and it don't look like it's going to stop anytime soon....

[Guest]

A sad sad day for our world. My heart felt sympathies for all who were killed and injured in this tragedy. When I think of the parents, husbands wives and children who face the loss of someone, it is truly heartwrenching.

I just got home from work and read this thread, and I am saddened by the fact that even in the face of such calamity, we are so vastly seperated in our opinions of how to combat it. Saddened by the hate no matter how justified, shown for people. They are people folks. They have parents and spouses and children just as we do. To To voice an opinion that we should kill them all makes us no better than those who launched this despicable act, and would serve no purpose but to cause even more violent acts, more deaths, more pain and suffering.

I do not condone for one minute the cowardly act inflicted upon the people of England or the USA. I fully support our armed services and their mission. I just do not think we fight a battle that can ever truly be won. How do you fight an enemy whose best weapon is the common man, made a martyr and willing to give his or her own life to kill the countrymen of his enemy?

[Guest]

DWW - not standing up for them at all, I'm a proud American follower of Jesus, not Mohommad, just pointing out the obvious; that support of Israel and corrupt gov's is what lead to this. Iran has one of the most corrupt governments in the world and ignores it's people daily. Syria has a very corrupt government and Lebanon is completely ruled by other people, fighting for it's own sovereignty.

wikid - you say something then contradict it a few syllables later... sorry if you felt it was rude to use the "genius" comment, sorry, again, read that book, you'll understand my background. and your government, our gov, really, defiently tries to act like it's some us vs. them deal that started on 9/11, sorry to say, it started far b4, and again, i support bush, i just think we need to look at the reality of the situation and the history of it rather than making assumptions.

btw, for whoever it was that pointed to WW II, thanks, that's where this whole problem started, when Churchill and the gang promised Arab's that Palestine would remain sovereign for their support of bases and what not. Then right after wards they sanctioned Israel. but you can't see this coming...

Weed Wrapper Man - you're absolutely right.

gypsy - although i think you're awesome, you can think that all you want, you'd still be wrong. do you really believe that if tomorrow, the world agreed to allow a sovereign Palestine, say, in accordance with the intl agreed Camp David agreement, and America w/ drew their troops from Afghanistan and Iraq and stopped supporting corrupt gov's in order to reap 2 of the most profitable natural thing's in the world, oil and opium, and stop trying to run the world that this shit wouldn't stop? c'mon now.

but the reality is,
there's no "nation of islam", so anybody who disagrees and decides to fight will be indepedent, aka a "terrorist". not to say they're not terrorists, i agree with that term for most of the people it's assigned to, but that's the way this fight is working.
i agree we should try to wipe out all the terrorists you can find - but we should have concentrated on afghanistan, and getta UBL, but it seems now that the point is a presence in the mid east, or at least the view from my foggy cell window looks that way. it's unfortunate britain even got involved, it was not their war, but many thanks for the brave men and women of that country who believed what our gov. said enough to fight for it. may God bless them in their acceptance of an un-fair situation and doing the best they can.

look, as stankbud pointed out,
we need to strive for honesty and unity.

but without one we can't have the other, unfortunately.

may God bless you all and my most sincere prayers are with the people of Britain and especially London.

I've enjoyed your company and country many times and consider it a blessing and great memory on this day. I will visit again soon.

Thank you for your understanding; sorry for any I pissed off, b4 or now... :badday:

[strain_searcher]

Well I hate war but if we had done nothing about 9/11, these bastards would think there is no consequence for their actions. We will always have terrorism but not standing down when things like this happen benefits us in the long run.

[JLP]

Loud and clear DG.

Freedom of speech allows all Americans to say what we want but it doesn't give us the right to say it anywhere we want and the last time I checked this was a Cannabis website.

If anyone here wishes to share their views on islam I suggest you go here:

http://jihadwatch.org/

JLP

[Guest]

Religion makes more of a mess of things just as money can, and then you combime them both for the most volitile cocktail possibly in our history, its crazy...when will this violence stop being used as a communication tool to get attention. Cant they just fucking talk like the rest of us :(

Bombing city transport with innocent public lives..the people who did that better not believe in karma.

This bombing tactic is very poor.
I hope none of our Icmagers in the London area were not hurt :(

I wasn going to use the pc for a while, feeling still groggy from after surgery but when i saw this i thought i beter see if our London icmagers are doin alright??

I think ill go read about the G8 summit now im here i might aswell see what they have been saying..

I think its a good call to keep the racial context out of political debating, its hard but its for the best so the thread can stay open. A little editing isnt so hard.

[wikidcalibudgrl]

.......
....
I was stating a FACT. The terrorists ( Al Quada and all their funky little offspring of terror groups) call this their Jihad.. they have ever since I can remember... so who is "blaming religion" here? Not me. Not my Gov, not any government as far as i ever heard....


OK,,i take that comment back,, i guess i did contradict myself,,as Tha Oil Baron says i did,,, the Terrorists call it Jihad,, so i guess someone ( but Still not Me ,nor My Gov!! ) does blame religion.. :pointlaug :crazy: :crazy:BUT, they're( the terrorists) not a gov either
I'm also a Bush supporter, but i'm not runnin out to read that book, i read, an watch what i will, when i want, bacause i can :lurk:
:joint: :wave: :abduct:
,,, :chin: done quibblin with ya anyhow,,, im off to puff one

[Guest]

I am surprized now. I was agreed with at IC on a sensitive issue and a Bush supporter admitted contradicting herself (This I don't view as a bad thing caligirl. These are Very confusing times. Some more Republicans need to own up to their contradictions and perhaps you have started a Good trend). I practice an Older Religion then any mentioned so I guess some would call me a Not so Proud to be an American Pagan (not the Bikers. No disrespect intended I just don't Ride). We are all people of this Mud and Saline Sphere we call Earth. Every life is worth the same. Everyone can be held accountable.

[ledhed]

First of all, my deep sympathies to everyone who has been touched by this latest act of insanity. You can bet that you will find people of all races and cultures among the victims. London is that kind of city.

As for those of you who want to go right out and mess up some terrorists, great. Excellent. Go for it, IF you can find them. The guys who actually did this thing, if they didn't kill themselves in the act, deserve whatever your justice system can throw at them.

But of course there's not much you can do to a suicide bomber. And you know, you KNOW, that we're not just going to go kill a bunch of terrorists. We're going to go kill a bunch of civilians too, little kids and moms and old folks. And some young military age males who have committed no other sin than to be in the wrong place when the bomb comes down.

Great fucking system.

One other thing. YOU may not be able to blame religion for this. I have no such disability. I blame religion along with greed and the lust for power.

Some of you may know who Richard Dawkins is. If you don't: he is British, he is an evolutionary biologist, and he is arguably one of the great minds of our age. Here is a piece he wrote on the subject back in the fall of 2001. It is equally appropriate today.

http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/2001-09time_to_stand_up.shtml

Peace

[Billy_Crystal]

This is awful... I cannot even imagine how painful it must be for those that've lost someone close to them or what it felt like to be in one of those bus or trains it's terrible... this is a sad sad day :badday:
I hoped that terrorists would never attack this safe haven and such great nation that is refuge to so many (including muslims!). Two of the underground stations attacked I used to pass through everyday for years whilst I was at university and I was even contemplating going to university to collect my exam results, Thank God/Allah (It means the same!) I didn't decide to do that today. If any of you care Edgware Road (one of the stations bombed) is actually located in the largest arabic populated part of London and so there are probably muslim casualties too, This was not an attack from Islam on the west!! This was an attack by cowardly fucks on the general public of multi-racial Britain (which includes muslims!). I am a bit saddened by the fact people on ICmag, even a mod, have such an uneducated view. Muslims completely condemn such acts of violence they are outraged and you think mosques are breeding grounds for the recruitment of terrorists? If you ask anyone that regularly goes to a mosque you will learn that there's no tolerance at all for people with such views, People go there to pray not sign up for the next coach load of suicide bombing missions. Muslims hate terrorists just as much, if not more than you, especially those that kill and claim it to be in the name of religion. It's the worst thing that can happen for a group of peaceful people. To be thought of as murdering lowlifes. It's like reading in the news papers 'six black kids rape young girl' do you immedately assume that all black people are tha same? NO! and if you do I feel sorry for you because you are not likely to get very far in life with such an attitude.
There is good and bad in every walk of life from the highest to the lowest, Right up at the top right down to the bottom you will find angels and demons. The media in the west is a very good tool for the one-sided biased argument. About 50 people died today and this will ring in our ears for many months to come but you wont ever hear of how many people unjustly die, died and are dying in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Bosnia, Chechneya, Kashmir, etc. etc. etc... I agree with Gypsy that these continous wars have been going on for centuries and there is no easy fix, I don't think since recorded time began there's been one day without major conflict, Everyone seems to need an enemy even if we are actually all the same as none of our Dna codes differ by more than 0.01% I think mankind is its own worst enemy and will be unable to save itself even if it has the power to do so.
I know it's no where near as bad as losing someone or being hurt or even worse being killed in such a situation, But to have your friends around you suddenly start turning against you and saying such fucking bull shit behind your back due to their ignorant way of thought it can really hurt!
If you are unable to see with your own eyes :confused: who the worlds' largest terrorist and global enemy#1 is then the Only thing I can say is :smoweed: and damn I wish more people just lit up a fat :joint:

[resinryder]

I just don't know what to say, the whole thing sickens me. I am sorry for the loss of your English brothers and sisters today. Best wishes in the days to come.

[wikidcalibudgrl]

I am surprized now. I was agreed with at IC on a sensitive issue and a Bush supporter admitted contradicting herself (This I don't view as a bad thing caligirl. These are Very confusing times. Some more Republicans need to own up to their contradictions and perhaps you have started a Good trend)....

Lmao WeedWrapperMan:biglaugh: thats too funny!,,, and hey, you know, just because i'm a bush supporter does not mean i think everything the man goes is good, or every word he says lined in truth,, just as i'm sure you may not agree with everything any group/s that you may affliate with believe or say. BUt anyways...

I'm so glad they found the other two unexploded ,,, that's good they were bunk, or were just discovered and disarmed b4 going off,, probably dozens more safe tonight because they didn't go off,,,, one good thing about the day at least,,,

[Ronley]

You know something... and you can all decide what you want about this...

On one of the recent Sucide bombers detection by the IDF(Israeli Defence Force) - About 3 or 4 weeks ago. (there are so many that we loose track.
Was a young Palistinaian girl (i think in her teens) who had been injured by hot frying oil that had splashed all over her when she was frying somthing in her kitchen.
So She came to Israel for medical treatment. Paid for by the Israeli health system, because she has no insurance. And thus gained a free easy pass everyday as well as the trust of the Israelies to travel into Israel and to go Soroka hospital in Beer Sheva.

The Hisbalah persuaded her to carry out a sucide bomb attack in the hospital. A young girl who could easilly slip in with out being searched.

Her parents knew about this and sent her off with there blessings on the day of the attack. The parents recieves something like $20 000 (I am not sure on the exact amount) for sending there children to do sucide bomb attacks.
What do they have to loose- they get money,- there child is out of the misery from being burnned by hot oil and has to have treatment. And everyone are proud martyrs.

BUT THANK GOD AND THE ISRAEL DEFENSES FORCE WHO FOUND HER WITH A FULL EXPLOSIVE BELT ON HER PERSON ALL READY TO GO DIE AND BLOW UP A HOSPITAL.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE ARE DEALING WITH....


Thank GOd that She was caught...tHank god.

[Vapour]

Hey guys,

What's done is done but we are Brit's at the end of the day and we will prevail. Let's not turn on each other and start spouting the hate shit. That's what got us here. My old work collegues were caught in this and if they can carry on doing their daily business then so can we.

The point of this attack was disruption, let's deny them their victory by just getting on with it in true Brit fashion. I view yesterday with PRIDE. We showed that even when bombed we will still go to work and still dont panic.

My hand is up for patriotism but down for reprisals. Lets not stoop eh......

[Guest]

BV you be careful there in italy. thanks to good old berlsconi's nose up bushies ass italy is in danger of this same thing...i dont live there but i will be coming there in the coming months for my family and saint trafone. if there is one place i could not stand to see anything lke this happen to its italy...full italian always italain and forever italian...


This country has been living with various forms of terrorism for hundreds of years, nothing new under the sun here. Started with mafia terrorism, proceeded with fascism and anarchist terrorism, which evolved into red brigade terrorism, which died out and has resuscitated two years ago with the New Red Brigade. This morning the news said Berlusconi warns that Italy is a target. Yesterday's vindication by Al Qaeda explicitly stated that Denmark and Italy are pinpointed. Like I said, nothing new under the sun. When you live in a country where acts of terrorism are deeprooted in history, you get a bit cynical about all this, whether it comes from within the country or outside the country. In the past two years in my region of Italy we've had three assassinations onboard trains, 4 bombs found and defused at the last minute only in my city, and lord only knows how many bomb scares and threats, all attributable to internal terrorism, in this specific case, the New Red Brigade.

I can't stand to see this happen anywhere personally, but I don't envision things getting any better anywhere in the near to distant future. The world will self-destruct, in one way or another, and IMO with the trend of the past 8 years or so, its no longer such a remote possibility.

[Guest]

Lmao WeedWrapperMan:biglaugh: thats too funny!,,, and hey, you know, just because i'm a bush supporter does not mean i think everything the man goes is good, or every word he says lined in truth,, just as i'm sure you may not agree with everything any group/s that you may affliate with believe or say. BUt anyways...
Careful with those assumptions. There is nothing funny about the information shared in this thread or anything I have said. I have NO affiliation with any Political Regime or Organized Religion. I did not contradict myself.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Please keep in mind that an argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition......and should not include jibes at a persons intellect...

....keep it civil.......and we then will have a proper debate....

[Guest]

Well spoken GN. I was headed down a bad path as were others. There is no justification for actions taken by either side of this conflict.

[TalkWeed]

Reports this morning say it could be an Islamic Group in there 20s, well educated from the midlands who follow osama.

There was also a report of a man with olive colored skin on one of the buses that was very anxious through the whole trip, playing with a bag couldnt stay still, maybe a suicide bomber if so the first in western europe :(

[Dutchgrown]

Seems to be heightened security today, just made a trip on the bus, everyone
getting on had to state to the driver their destination, he said it was 'new security
measures'. Coming back, same thing except I had packages and a medium sized
brown box...no where to sit, so I was standing...the driver made an announcement
saying 'those standing with packages must take a seat with your packages' (since I was the
only one that applied to knew he was saying that for me)...an elderly man gave up
his seat so I could sit with my packages. Everyone on the bus sure had solemn
looking faces. I was so embarassed...everyone on the whole bus looking at me! :yoinks:

dg

[bartender187]

wow. that is scary. it seems like everyone is stuck in a realm of fear.

i hope tony blair/whoever, doesnt try to extort yalls fear into passin some Patriot Act/ crap on your rights bill. btw... Bush tricked us into giving up our Liberties, it DIDNT work. yall stay strong, and dont let the Gov. be all like "See i told you all along, YALL WERENT SECURE AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED"...terrorism is inedible, its be goin on for thousands of years, there will always be a minority upset with the majority.

[wikidcalibudgrl]

i wasn't insulting or berating( i hope i didn't) anyone,,, i was just stating a point.... & weed wrapper,,, i wasn't laughing at this situation ,, i was laughing because i restated the SAME thing again( what 3rd time),,, still no contradiction that i'm aware of. Oil Baron stated in the thread i first responed to, that " Lets not be ignorant like our gov's and blame religion" and what i said didn't contradict that at all,,, that was my point reitterated again,,My gov never Blamed religion ( an not saying religion ISN"t the root of it either) and as far as I know ( as i stated b4) the terrorists doing these things are not a Gov either,,,, so :confused: .... anyway,,, sry if no one else "Got the point" i was tryin to make,, sometimes it's hard on forums to make a point in a sarcastic way, an have ppl understand it in the context your thinkin when ya write it out.

I think the asking of destination is a good first step for the busses too,,, if ya can't answer tha simple question, thats a bit suspisious. DG,,, sry about your imbarrassment though,,, that musta been a bit akward.

[ledhed]

Please keep in mind that an argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition....

No it isn't.










:biglaugh:

Sorry, I could not resist. Python Forever!

[Steele Savage]

My prayers go out to our brothers and sisters across tha sea .
Do unto others as they do to you .
To bad these are little gutless maggots that go and attack civilliians . Cheap shots , what kind of honor is that . ...........
Maggots grow into little shit flies , hella of em' , which makes it that much more frustrating . Ever try throttling a fly's throat ? Damn near impossible , but it can be done ... very slowly . And when you do get the little muther fuckers , I'd start with their legs , hit their wings(arms) and finish with their head .

[Guest]

W-caligrl you are starting to Not make sense at all. Maybe it's me? but anyways...

An open apology to IC members (UKers in particular) for taking advantage of a thread meant to be informative and supportive to vent about my feelings about this War on Terror.

I'm all for bringing those responsible for actions that damage innocent people to justice (but what is justice anyways??) but the practical application seems to be lacking IMHO and it will cost many more lives and collateral damage at the pace that this WOT is moving. How many more innocent people have to die to get the people they at least know they are looking for? What if this does turn into a Christian/Hebrew/?World? vs Muslim war? It seems like they are fucking around like the first time they "tried" to accomplish this very same thing. We got a few Husseins and a handful of High Profilers for how much of a monetary and Human Price (that would include casualties from Both sides)?? This is getting way too expensive.

[JohnBudd]

I try to change the world one small step at a time. I make my neighborhood and my town a better place to be. I help black, white, arab, hispanic....whomever I see struggling with groceries, broken car, or an old lady crossing the street. I take the time to stop what I am doing, ask if they need help.
I voted(not for Bush) but am at the mercy of the lawmakers in my country....I don't agree with the lawmakers, I do not stand for the same morals they do......but most everything they do reflects back onto me because I am a AMERICAN!
Start making the world a better place with baby steps....help near your home, volunteer at an old folks home........help the elderly in your neighborhood with their yardwork and trash.
Folks dying sucks, war sucks, violence sucks, so lets stop this never ending carnage of death by teaching your children diversity.....we are all the same, regardless of skin color. Violence, bigotry are taught at home.......lets stop the cycle, or at least not add to the mess.
I am not one to decide who is right on wrong, walk a mile in the others shoes before you state your opinion. If I was born in an Arab state, Israelies harassing me at every turn, my home(where my family has lived over 3000 years) has been taken, I would not be a happy camper either.
Think about the Iraqui children before you speak.........both parents killed by American bombs, brothers and sister killed by American arms as well........
I blame our President for this war in Iraq.......but it still falls onto me and many like me......Americans......war hungry, violent, greedy MOFO'S.....this is what the world see's.....not a pretty picture of the good ole USA. I love America and my home, but hate the way our politicians police the world.
This is my opinion, not facts. Please save the bashing for those that deserve it. Peace.

[Guest]

Islam doesn't kill people, people kill people
If u think about all the shit people do in the name of god(s) and religion..
I wouldn't be surprised if all the gods in the book turned their backs on us.

[GMT]

Todays were wierd. Only one injury, possibly one of the bombers. 4 attempted explosions, 3 on tubes and one bus yet again. no more details yet.

[Guest]

its just more petulant acting up from these islamofascist pseudo-muslims again in london today...if they spent half as much time focusing on anything else as they do praying they would probably rule the world...