Rootech vs Dip n Grow and other's

[Thundurkel]

I'm curious what everybody use's for their cloning solutions do you use a gel? are you a bubble cloner kinda grower? or do you like Dip n Grow or Oliva's?? Do you think powder's are best or gels??

I've tried a few different ways to clone, started with the DrBud perlite method and had bad result's so then I tried Jiffy Pellets with Take Root powder and had a 70% success rate and then I went to a bubble cloner and had 90% for quite a while but I haven't been getting them to root as fast as I need lately to keep up with a perpetual HD SOG so I'm staggering two sets of cuts with 16 in each container using 1" Rock Wool cubes cut off a slab with Rootech gel and I'm also using 1" Oasis Cubes with Rootech as well and have had 95-100% success rate this way and I want to know what everyone else is doing cuz I'm always open to try a new way.. I noticed that clones out of the bubble cloner take off faster when transplanted and put into flower has anyone else noticed this??

[Capo dei Capi]

Well my rooting compound that i use is DutchMaster Replicator. I like it because it does not contain all of the synthetic hormones that other compounds use to promote root growth.

Check it out:

Replicator is unique as it is not a traditional cloning gel but is in fact a Cut Stem Sealant and Microclimate Stabilizer. This is different from regular rooting gel that use synthetic hormones to initiate root growth. Replicator has been carefully designed with a gentle blend of phosphorus, magnesium & sulfur that is infused with extracts of etiolated wheat and zea mays coleoptiles.

Replicator can draw out air bubbles from your newly taken cuttings stem. Air bubbles in the “water carrying columns” of the stem is the number one cause for cutting death. The unique anti wilt technology within Replicator can prevent up to 99% of air bubble related cutting deaths.

Source: http://http://www.pondepot.com/dutchmasterreplicator.aspx

I've always had great results with the Replicator, and it's also economically priced(picked it up at my local hydro store for $8.99). On the other hand, i've used powder rooting hormone from walmart (3-4 years ago) and had 100% success rate, so i believe it all comes down to personal preference, and whatever works for that individual person.

I've used rockwool, rapid rooters, and jiffy pellets, and the only one i don't like is rockwool. I don't know why. I know many growers rave over it, but i just flat out dont like it. For starting seeds, I'll go with the peat pellets, but more often then not when i clone, i'll go with rapid rooters. Peat pellets and rapid rooters give me at least an 80% success rate. Oh, and when i take a few clones from my afghans and mazars, I want to try out the pure coco method...StonedTeacher has convinced me haha.

-Peace

[basilfarmer]

interesting stuff :yes:

an overwhelming number of my friends have said in a chat the other day they do better without the rooting hormone than with it, because it is too strong and burns the cutts. Don't ask me, I never would have guessed this. I like gel and have never liked that powder stuff but I notice the powder comes in 3 different strengths, thats a good thing.

As far as air bubbles, some people first water the plant, then after 20 min, they submerge the area they are taking the cutting from (which i could see being awkward) or they pinch it HARD and cut below, then submerge the cutting and snip it above the pinch.

If any of what I have said is bad info please correct me because I am only passing on 2nd hand info and don't want to send someone the wrong way

[GET MO]

I use dip n gro with about 95% success(some strains take longer than others and I get impatient), with rapid rooter plugs/trays and a humidity dome. Works fine for me.

[Uncle Remus]

Bubble cloner, no hormone junk, just plain H2O...100% success, 100% of the time...NEVER lost a cut

Cuts taken from sexed plants usually take a bit longer, but they will root in due time...I've had cuts survive 30+ days in my cloner and they still ALL rooted

I go 18/6 with my lights (not too much) keeping the cloner 18-20 inches below...Change your res water every 3-4 days...Seedling heating mats also help with faster rooting, especially in colder weather like it is here

[basilfarmer]

Bubble cloner, no hormone junk, just plain H2O...100% success, 100% of the time...NEVER lost a cut

Cuts taken from sexed plants usually take a bit longer, but they will root in due time...I've had cuts survive 30+ days in my cloner and they still ALL rooted

I go 18/6 with my lights (not too much) keeping the cloner 18-20 inches below...Change your res water every 3-4 days...Seedling heating mats also help with faster rooting, especially in colder weather like it is here

now thats some stellar results :D

[Capo dei Capi]

What's the difficulty level (1-5; 1 being the utmost easiest thing; 5 being the utmost hardest thing) for an average person to build a DIY Bubble Cloner?

[GreenIsGood]

Hey there CdC building a bubble cloner is pretty easy. I do not think that any DIY construction will get much easier so its probably a 1. If you use your search button you will find a couple of tutorials. It can even be as easy as getting a cooking pot, put your bubble stone in, cover with foil. Then just poke a little hole in your tin foil with a tooth pick and put your clone in. You can just mark the tin foil with the name and its pretty easy. This was not my idea it came from *******. Sorry if i got the name wrong just trying to put credit where credit it due.
GIG:joint:

[ureapwhatusow]

i get 100% with or wihtout

but cloning gels accellerate rooting

botaincare power clone and AN jump start are excellent at shaving a few days off of rooting time

I found root tech will delay rooting unless you dilute it 50%

the cube below is a cut in rockwool wiht 50% diluted rootech after 5 days

at least 7 to show and 10 for robust root growth without cloning gel


http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/45423roottech.jpg (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=733503)

[xcrispi]

I've had good luck w/ clonex gel
I heard it doesn't have much of a shelf life though . Any input on this guys ???
Crispi

[PharmaCan]

Greenlight Rooting Powder - you can buy it at Lowe's etc and it only costs $5 per bottle.

xcrispi - Good to see you posting, dude. I see you're living in the ghetto now. Moving on up, huh?

PC

[xcrispi]

Quote - xcrispi - Good to see you posting, dude. I see you're living in the ghetto now. Moving on up, huh?

Just like George , Weezy , and Obama baby LOL.

BTW -
Capo- The bubble cloners an easy 1. bro.
The Mrs. made me one for my B day . Gotta love Juicy J

Crispi

[yamaha_1fan]

I think it was DaddyHaze who just did a test between 2-3 rooting compounds and no rooting compound at all. The water had the best results. I think he used Dip N Grow, maybe clonex, another one and possibly used oasis cubes.

Anyway, I DO REMEMBER that the cuts without any rooting compound had the best results

I have used DNG in the past, then switched to clonex only cause my new shop didnt carry the DNG. Not much difference IMO but I wasnt really tracking.

I took 200 cuts of Blueberry 1/28. 50 per tray. 2 trays have clonex, 2 trays have no rooting compound. I will see which one performs better


I have noticed that I get some cuts that rot when using clonex. I wonder if somehow the gel clogs the hole in the stem and it cant take up water

[Thundurkel]

Nice response!! Glad to hear all you're guy's styles, so diluted Rootech worked better huh? makes sense it says to dilute with water for easier cloning plants so I'll try it out. I still love my bubble cloner tho it's just so easy and so far it's given me my best looking cuts to date..

Capo - Check my sig I have a tutorial on a 15 site micro bubble cloner that cost me no more than $20

[Thundurkel]

anyone else have anything??

[Capn]

Dip n Gro! Works like a charm for me. I got like a 95% root rate in rockwool. Ive used root-tech before and didn't like it because the container it comes in is kinda funky for the application.

You kinda have to contaminate the whole thing unless you wanna scoop some out. Dip n grow u can just squirt the gel right into the hole your going to put your clone in. Stem is completely surrounded by gel!

Stay^

[Clackamas Coot]

Dip n Gro! Works like a charm for me. I got like a 95% root rate in rockwool.
Capn

Given that Dip-n-Gro was originally developed for rooting tree cittings for the Christmas tree industry in Northwest Oregon, it make sense that it could do an outstanding job on a softwood plant like cannabis, eh?

LOL

BTW - the rooting compound 'Vita Grow' is the same formula as Dip-n-Gro. It used to be sold as 'Wood's Cloning Liquid' and then it was sold by one company in Portland to another. I'd dilute this product by 50% and not use it straight out of the bottle as recommended by the manufacturer.

CC

[Capn]

Sorry, I was had a brain-fart. I do not use plug n grow. I use a product called Gel 4 Plugs. Comes in a black bottle with a little nozzle that you can use to fill your plugs like jelly donuts.

BTW whats everyone so scared of IAA for?

[Clackamas Coot]

BTW whats everyone so scared of IAA for?
Good question!

[Capn]

Well apparently IAA has the potential to cause mutations in mammal cells. So does the char on your steak.

[ZEROorDIE]

some times i use basic Shultz cloning powder($4 from homedepot) when i want to go straight to soil(99% success accounting for outside variables(me dropping the clones etc))

also my bubble cloner cost $17 to build and works 100% of the time.

keeps em real healthy too.


Capn: you sig scares me

[evlme2]

I have tried rooting clones in a homemade bubble cloner, a Botanicare power cloner, Coco, and a cup of water. By far, the easiest method was a cup of water. Cut the clone, put it in a cup of water, change the water every few days, thats it. No gels, no additives, not even ph'd water, straight tap. 100% every time. But...This method takes the longest. up to a month sometimes.
All other methods i used are faster, IF they work. Its always hit/miss with all the other methods i've tried.
So...I'll take ease and reliability, a cup of water. Evl...:2cents:

[SmokeToLive]

I think it was DaddyHaze who just did a test between 2-3 rooting compounds and no rooting compound at all. The water had the best results. I think he used Dip N Grow, maybe clonex, another one and possibly used oasis cubes.

Anyway, I DO REMEMBER that the cuts without any rooting compound had the best results

I have used DNG in the past, then switched to clonex only cause my new shop didnt carry the DNG. Not much difference IMO but I wasnt really tracking.

I took 200 cuts of Blueberry 1/28. 50 per tray. 2 trays have clonex, 2 trays have no rooting compound. I will see which one performs better


I have noticed that I get some cuts that rot when using clonex. I wonder if somehow the gel clogs the hole in the stem and it cant take up water

Having just bought some clonex, I really hope it does something! :)

[B00st3d]

I have been using RootTech since I started cloning 5 years ago and have had good results with it every time.I always use rapid rooters but im bout ready to start using an aeroponic cloner soon. I suggest if youre a beginner tryin rapid rooters, humidity dome, tray, root tech and a seedling heat mat which is the most important part. The heat mat cuts rooting time in half. Just make sure you dont wet the actual rapid rooter more then once every 12 hours or so, only if they look and feel dry. You can use plain water but I like using a dilluted strength mix of 6.0 water with liquid karma or some kinda stimulant. Good luck

[N707]

I'm curious what everybody use's for their cloning solutions do you use a gel? are you a bubble cloner kinda grower? or do you like Dip n Grow or Oliva's?? Do you think powder's are best or gels??

I've tried a few different ways to clone, started with the DrBud perlite method and had bad result's so then I tried Jiffy Pellets with Take Root powder and had a 70% success rate and then I went to a bubble cloner and had 90% for quite a while but I haven't been getting them to root as fast as I need lately to keep up with a perpetual HD SOG so I'm staggering two sets of cuts with 16 in each container using 1" Rock Wool cubes cut off a slab with Rootech gel and I'm also using 1" Oasis Cubes with Rootech as well and have had 95-100% success rate this way and I want to know what everyone else is doing cuz I'm always open to try a new way.. I noticed that clones out of the bubble cloner take off faster when transplanted and put into flower has anyone else noticed this??

Out of all the ones I've used I've ahd the most consistant results with Olivia's. There is a new one at our local hydro shop that I want to try out, Juicy Roots by Advanced Nutrients. The bottle that looks like a glue container, with the applicator style tip looks pretty convienent. I used to use the powder, but after I started with the gels I will stick with them due to the consistancy and the viscosity.
I may have missed it, but has anyone tried A N's Juicy roots yet? Looks like an interesting product.

[Thundurkel]

Ok I got some Dip n Grow the other day since Root Tech went up $5 in price, I have 9 clones in a perlite cloner that I used Dip N Grow with and oddly enough that was what the recommended I put my cuts in.... I used the 10x dilution btw and will report back in a few days to let you all know how things went...

[GranddaddyMagic]

I have personally been struggling with cloning for almost a year on and off and finally got my first root today, IN 7 DAYS, using dip n grow at 20x in 1" Rockwool. :woohoo: I also use root 66 as an additive to the water, PH'd to 5.5. I was originally led on to buy rapid rooters and rootech gel, which DOES NOT work. GO WITH DIP N GROW!! I have also seen people claiming that they get best results with plain water and I am planning to try that next, will keep you all posted on that experiment.

[GranddaddyMagic]

Basically cuttings root with just plain water but on average this takes up to a month. What we are looking for in these rooting hormones is some kind of accelerator that will speed up the process a bit. Dip N Grow and Rockwool ARE the accelerators but are NOT essential, just speed up the process one hell of a bit. If you are still using gels use as little as possible in order not to suffocate the plants because that gel is NOT water and NOT what that stem wants to drink. Hope this helps save some people alot of time. I even think that the GOV. probably invented rooting gels in order to hinder people success ratio.
Beware of many products and do your research!!!