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[bobblehead]

Hey bobblehead i'm asking this question to you and dhf or anyone that could help if you dont mind.Your work inspired me to try a few things and so far i'm loving it but i'm looking for a strain that grown in coco hempy 3l or 6l containers (heres my systems measurements there are 2 1k bulbs hung vertically the height of each rack surrounding the bulbs is 5 1/2ft and 48" wide all the faces are 30"inches to 24 from the light all the way around) can finish around 24" and yield 3/4 to 1 oz per plant of grade a medicine in 70 days or less?Any help is greatly appreciated

Hey highcane. Hempy style would be a great way to manage irrigation in the racks... I'm assuming you collect the runoff with a gutter system or bulkheads and tubing... I'm happy to hear vetical racks are working out well for you! They do have potential.

As far as your genetics are concerned... That's a loaded question. I don't know what's available to you. It doesn't sound like you have access to elite clones if you're asking this question. That leads me to seed recommendations... I've never grow Chem IBL, but my heaviest yielding plant is a Strawberry Diesel x Chem ix. The other strain I would recommend is strawberry diesel. There's lots of great plants to be found in that gene pool.

Both Chemdog and strawberry diesel are 10 week finishers, some straw d will run longer. I've always been able to find a straw D that yields well, has potency, and flavor. I've grown quite a few strawberry diesel.

 

[highcane]

Thanks Bobble i do have access to some good strains (gsc,shark attack,deep sleep,sour bubble) to name a few.Also a friend has Commerce City Kush on the way. I just wanted to know which you've dealt with and your thoughts. And i dont have run off with the hempy's i use drip clean so it hasn't been needed.Where would you recommend getting the strawberry diesels from? And are any closer to 63 or 60 days that you know of?Thanks again man

 

[bobblehead]

Thanks Bobble i do have access to some good strains (gsc,shark attack,deep sleep,sour bubble) to name a few.Also a friend has Commerce City Kush on the way. I just wanted to know which you've dealt with and your thoughts. And i dont have run off with the hempy's i use drip clean so it hasn't been needed.Where would you recommend getting the strawberry diesels from? And are any closer to 63 or 60 days that you know of?Thanks again man

To answer your question, Ganesh is selling Strawberry Diesel f3's on seedbay. If you want something closer to 60-65, I would recommend chemdog ibl. Strawberry diesel is most likely to go 10-11 weeks.

That being said... I really don't understand why so many people get hung up on flower times. Anything worth growing runs at least 10 weeks, ime.
Genetics play a huge role... but w/e floats your boat!

 

[Veg N Out]

The stuff youve got In tables is the best youve ever done..all that shit about coir amd blumats is regurgitated bullshit. Get some bobblehead, it is about time

 

[Femora]

'I gotta spread some reps before giving it to bobble again'... Hmmm..

I had a long discussion and argue with myself about strains and flowertimes...
I get some satisfaction when reading that you dont mind a 10w flowertime. I dont feel like an idiot when trying 10-12w sativa... Hehe!
But i guess.. A heavy yielding 45-47 day hybrid would be nice for the wallet in the long run. Hehe..

 

[bobblehead]

The stuff youve got In tables is the best youve ever done..all that shit about coir amd blumats is regurgitated bullshit. Get some bobblehead, it is about time

Yeah Veg its kind of funny cause those are my first 3 tables ever... and I was able to build each one with wood and pond liner and fill a table in a day. Walk away for a week. Minimal effort. The best looking table is using Home Depot peat moss and perlite. Exact same nutes as everything else. I'm gonna get some neg rep on this post... ha ha... but 2/3 aint bad.

When it comes to managing the rhizosphere... beds are the shit. When it comes to absentee grows... beds are the shit. Managing a bunch of blumats is for the birds.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Hold the phone freds.. I got this.
j/k of course.


Whatever works for Bobble.. that is what is important.


I recently flew to the other side of the globe and was gone for 2 weeks. My 24 blumats in 2Gal coco Root Pots never missed a beat. I've left 48 site blumat setups for upwards of 10 days as well.. never any problems. They work as advertised.


Anyone "managing" blumats can likely look there for the root of their problems. I drench, dial to cling + 1 arrow, and walk away. There is no management whatsoever. The only time I've ever had a run-away is when I did try to "tweak" and play around with them after their initial setup.


Your thread. I'm happy to see you successful in whichever way it comes, but blaming blumats for any problems is for the birds as well. It all boils down to either user error, environment, or incorrect implementation.



Whatever gets the job done in one's own situation. Aint nobody arguing that. The gravity fed solenoid been working as expected? No sticky, dead batts or failures?

 

[bobblehead]

Hold the phone freds.. I got this.
j/k of course.


Whatever works for Bobble.. that is what is important.


I recently flew to the other side of the globe and was gone for 2 weeks. My 24 blumats in 2Gal coco Root Pots never missed a beat. I've left 48 site blumat setups for upwards of 10 days as well.. never any problems. They work as advertised.


Anyone "managing" blumats can likely look there for the root of their problems. I drench, dial to cling + 1 arrow, and walk away. There is no management whatsoever. The only time I've ever had a run-away is when I did try to "tweak" and play around with them after their initial setup.


Your thread. I'm happy to see you successful in whichever way it comes, but blaming blumats for any problems is for the birds as well. It all boils down to either user error, environment, or incorrect implementation.



Whatever gets the job done in one's own situation. Aint nobody arguing that. The gravity fed solenoid been working as expected? No sticky, dead batts or failures?

lol... FF, you don't ever have a blumat that leaves a pot too dry, and then you have to open it up a couple arrows? Like I've said, I have them working, but there's been a few that I had to open a little. A few I had to move the 3mm tubing back and forth through the blumat because it was stuck closed. After they're running for 1-2 weeks, I haven't had many problems. I couldn't feel comfortable setting up blumats again and walking away immediately for a week. I haven't had a runaway since I pulled them from the lake house. That's just a wild climate.

The solenoids have functioned perfectly. No battery changes needed yet. They have a red warning light for when the battery gets low. Each room except the octagon is being fed off a solenoid. I need more pressure for the octagon so I use a pump in the elevated res.

I don't remember... I know you've grown full on hydro... but have you done DTW coco? or did you just go straight to coco and blumats? Imo DTW coco was superior.

You're gonna love ppks... you might never use another blumat again. I like that you can put together a blumat system in a pinch without a bunch of plumbing. That's a big benefit of blumats.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

lol I know what Dave was getting at, he was just poking fun... Dave knows I'm just poking fun right back at him.

For sure. I was the funnier one tho !

 

[silver hawaiian]

When it comes to managing the rhizosphere... beds are the shit. When it comes to absentee grows... beds are the shit. Managing a bunch of blumats is for the birds.

I'm a blumat devotee, badge on my sleeve and all that sh*t. They work for me.

I've been thinking about building beds, and then taking a stab at the blumat distributor drippers.

I've always grown in containers - and in the past, I've always dumped the spent soil back in a can, broken up the root mass, and once I'd accumulated a full can, I'd dump it all out, re-amend it some, water it, and keep it moist for a month or few. Then reuse.

Lately, I've taken my spent containers, dug out just enough of the soil to plug in the new transplant, and called it done.

Kind of forgot where I was going. Now I feel like I'm clogging things up. White wax. I think you'll dig the beds, and I feel like you might be leaning more and more towards a dirt-minded grow.

The beds look great.

 

[greenmatter]

holy shit bobble! are you gonna go all conventional on us-n-shit? say it aint so man!

i have some old reflectors sitting around that i'll trade you for blumats .......

good luck with however you grow bob. there will ALWAYS be more than one way to get things done, and and doing them all is a good thing IMHO.

BTW the modified blumats are all still working just like they should

 

[bobblehead]

I'm a blumat devotee, badge on my sleeve and all that sh*t. They work for me.
I've been thinking about building beds, and then taking a stab at the blumat distributor drippers.

I've always grown in containers - and in the past, I've always dumped the spent soil back in a can, broken up the root mass, and once I'd accumulated a full can, I'd dump it all out, re-amend it some, water it, and keep it moist for a month or few. Then reuse.

Lately, I've taken my spent containers, dug out just enough of the soil to plug in the new transplant, and called it done.

Kind of forgot where I was going. Now I feel like I'm clogging things up. White wax. I think you'll dig the beds, and I feel like you might be leaning more and more towards a dirt-minded grow.

The beds look great.

Bro you're more than welcome to take up space in my thread or on my couch anytime... and hey man, you saw my blumats dripping with living plants... Its not that blumats don't work. Cause they do...

imo though, its kinda like some of you guys warning me about peat moss and organics being slower than coco and synthetic nutes.... I know first hand DTW or Recirculating Top Feed beat blumats hands down.

What system is sweeping the vert forum right now? blumats? no. It's the ppk.

Me grow in dirt? maybe one day i'll try it... Peat moss is rocking so far!

holy shit bobble! are you gonna go all conventional on us-n-shit? say it aint so man!

i have some old reflectors sitting around that i'll trade you for blumats .......

good luck with however you grow bob. there will ALWAYS be more than one way to get things done, and and doing them all is a good thing IMHO.

BTW the modified blumats are all still working just like they should

ha ha ha... Keeping the money makers conventional isn't such a bad thing, ya know? No reason I can't experiment in 1 or 2 rooms, but running every room as an experiment is coming to an end.

I'm also going to give ppks a shot. I think that beds and ppks are going to be my 2 favorite growing methods.

PM me your addy and i'll get the blumats packaged up after I harvest these plants over the next few weeks...

 

[Veg N Out]

Again, stoked to see you stepping up from bro science to real science.

Keep it up and just keep repeating what works..no pun intended, really.

Please stop defoliating the plants. Leaves are major energy producers. Solar panels for the plants...more panels more power! Soil is the battery, cation matrix determines the battery charge...

P.S. marking posts that commend bob for improving knowing you will remain anonymous is low brow.

 

[bobblehead]

Again, stoked to see you stepping up from bro science to real science.

Keep it up and just keep repeating what works..no pun intended, really.

Please stop defoliating the plants. Leaves are major energy producers. Solar panels for the plants...more panels more power! Soil is the battery, cation matrix determines the battery charge...

P.S. marking posts that commend bob for improving knowing you will remain anonymous is low brow.

I know who Anonymous is. Anonymous doesn't post in this thread anymore, which is fine with me. He's more than welcome to, but with an open mind and a better attitude than before. Admitting when you're wrong is a good start.

Anyway, I don't need to waste anymore energy on Anonymous. I have lots of love in this thread from growers and non-growers alike. People who can share their ideas and constructive criticisms without attacks. No time for the negativity here. Aint nobody got time for that! ha ha

Thanks to EVERYONE for participating in my journey. You've all helped develop me into the grower I am today.

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Oh yeah, and I promise, I'll stop touching the fan leaves... In all seriousness though Veg, do you remove anything from the plant? Is it still ok to clean out the bottoms that aren't receiving light? Or should I just leave that alone too to prevent stress? Thanks.

edit: oh shit, this thread is approaching "mega-thread" status... 173 pages! ha ha... What a story! I promise this thread ends in July. You guys have been through the worst of it with me. Thanks again.

 

[Veg N Out]

I highly recommend removing growth that wont produce, I do leave the fan leaf coming off the meristem in tact. Plants synthesize sugar in the leaf, this is sent back down in to the roots and feeds biology...

I just planted a bunch of trainwrecks and am going to do some indoor qnd will do a thread on it so you can see really how simply I do things.

 

[megayields]

I know who Anonymous is. Anonymous doesn't post in this thread anymore, which is fine with me. He's more than welcome to, but with an open mind and a better attitude than before. Admitting when you're wrong is a good start.

Anyway, I don't need to waste anymore energy on Anonymous. I have lots of love in this thread from growers and non-growers alike. People who can share their ideas and constructive criticisms without attacks. No time for the negativity here. Aint nobody got time for that! ha ha

Thanks to EVERYONE for participating in my journey. You've all helped develop me into the grower I am today.

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Oh yeah, and I promise, I'll stop touching the fan leaves... In all seriousness though Veg, do you remove anything from the plant? Is it still ok to clean out the bottoms that aren't receiving light? Or should I just leave that alone too to prevent stress? Thanks.

edit: oh shit, this thread is approaching "mega-thread" status... 173 pages! ha ha... What a story! I promise this thread ends in July. You guys have been through the worst of it with me. Thanks again.

Having something approach " mega-thread" status is a blessing.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Just while we're talking about removing leaves, I mixed up nutes and ended up feeding my gals Grow A&B right up to 4 weeks flower and I was also using a PK booster that HAS nitrogen in it...ugh...I've totally fucked up my grow with all the extra N so I done a major trim on the gals, I clipped off 70-80% of all fan leaves to try and get rid of their nitrogen stores. From my experience with multi-feeding DTW the leaves aren't as important because I'm feeding 3-5 times per day, the plants have access to fresh nutrients all the time...the roots uptake the fresh nutes and utilize it as needed....just my thoughts.

HGO

 

[bobblehead]

Just while we're talking about removing leaves, I mixed up nutes and ended up feeding my gals Grow A&B right up to 4 weeks flower and I was also using a PK booster that HAS nitrogen in it...ugh...I've totally fucked up my grow with all the extra N so I done a major trim on the gals, I clipped off 70-80% of all fan leaves to try and get rid of their nitrogen stores. From my experience with multi-feeding DTW the leaves aren't as important because I'm feeding 3-5 times per day, the plants have access to fresh nutrients all the time...the roots uptake the fresh nutes and utilize it as needed....just my thoughts.

HGO

I'm sorry to say bro, but removing the leaves isn't going to do anything for stored N. Like Veg said, the leaves are solar panels. They contain the machinery that converts water + nutes + light = carbohydrates. Those carbohydrates are stored in the stems and roots of the plants. The leaves are just the production factory.

Thanks for popping in though! I haven't seen you around these parts in a while. How's your garden growing? updates coming?

 

[DrFever]

^^^^^ Well said bobble IMO cleaning all lower foilage and bud growth not directly linked to a light source is a good way to go about it there never going to mature anyways so why not use the energy from that to increase your top bud growth that is in direct light and the money maker
I have seen first hand what trimming fan leafs in flowering stage has done and being truthful it was a loss in yield now i don;t count larf buds as quality buds, that myself would purchase or sell.... Its just that garbage wasted buds that never grew right and end up being hash or other by bud products lol
Now removing fan leafs or other leafs late in flower ( Week before harvest) only makes life easier for the trimmer in my books might help a little???? open foilage to get some light and hopefully swell up some under developed buds
i like to tuck and possibly trim few fan leafs if there in the way of a bud but not by removing whole leaf but by more less cutting it in half
either way leafs are the most crucial part of a plant like bobble mentions there the driving engines that make sugars and starches <--- thats what makes production and until we as growers understand that there will always be mis leading info on this matter
most of the top growers on this DO NOT REMOVE ANY LEAFS during flowering stage like my self i let plant drop them when there done and so should you
anyways bobble hope you don't mind 2 pictures of buds one defoiled in flower other non touched these pictures don;t lie right pic defoiled plant in flower left untouched

I also use shit load of peat in my soils top feed with crazy yield numbers bobble keep doing what your doing your on the right track great job plants look amazing from what i can see going to be one of your better yield grows in that peat well done DOC

 

[DHF]

Look......I`m about as anonymous as a turd in a punch bowl , but I assure all here that I`ve never hit a neg rep button in my life cuz it`s petty and childish at best, but ........

I do have many folks that respect and appreciaate my knowledge and experience , so I`d lean toward them than me havin sour grapes cuz I give 2 shits bout what anyone thinks about me.......and.....for the record....

The theory bout fanleaves bein solar panels to convert sugars to carbs in late flower was debunked at least a decade ago Bobbles no matter how much scientific data you can complile to the contrary , so......

Be leary of your new organic friends and their so-called yields compared to accelerated growth setups like the leaps and strides that`ve been made over the yrs despite those with their heads up their asses for the most part with no offense intended toward organic med-ville growers.....and again......

To disagree with HGO about what he`s witnessing first hand with his plants cuz somebody`s jamming it down your throat bout "blumats bad" and coir sux , much less tellin him that older fanleaves stripped wont help to deplete the plant of stored N after end of stretch is at best propaganda since all this has come to light in the last several yrs as being so except for those with blinders on.........plus.....

DF.....please......that stripped and unstripped illustration of finished nugs is as lame as I would`ve expected from someone of your character , so all your input just puts icing on the cake of where this thread`s headed.....that said.....

Folks.....don`t take no wooden nickels and keep an open mind about upgrades and improvements in our lil hobby, and please don`t fall back on the ways of the past.....

Organic and peat based setups will NEVER come close to returns from fast hydro and coco setups , or else NOFUCKINBODY would be wastin juice on anything but dirt grows......right ?.......

Nuthin new under the sun folks , bet on it.....and hey....attack if you will to attempt to make yourselves feel better , but proof`s in tha puddin and has been for many yrs......

Bobbles.....Wish you nothin but the best wherever your path takes you , but you need to focus and get grounded on where you`re gonna make your stand with this shit before you quit , cuz all I`ve seen is bouncing due to your stubborn unwillingness to follow tried and true instructions to success with far less than dialed results but I digress.....and yeah.....

I don`t post here anymore cuz I`m NOT welcome but I`m cool with that , but for VNO and IDTR to spout innuendo`s like I`m full of shit , kinda sorta hurts my feelings that they get helpful ratings when I`m accused of all the Not helpful ratings in your thread that I give 2 shits about......

I`ve never and will never give a neg rep cuz it`s lame and beneath me......Krusty wars back in the day broke me from tradin snide remarks with internet know-it-alls , and for the most part except for trolls like the ones showing up in the last yr from long ago , I`ve been pretty tame......and.....

Tastes change Bobbles , and it`s obvious you`ve been influenced by the organics end of things livin in "new" medville thinkin that organics will help you demand a higher price for your end result product , and maybe it will......but.....

Yields will suffer guaranteed , so if youre ready to adjust to less for more that`s all that matters........Look Bro......Been fightin my dirt growin grobro`s for yrs in Cali and they`re fine with end results , but they`ll ALL tell yas yields can`t compete.....anyways.....

I usedta like postin in this thread......Let`s keep shit civil in Vert-ville....Never did ANYTHING but tryta help folks here , and will continue to do so cuz there`s waaaay too many guru`s that tell the newbs to go this way and that when it`s pretty simple.....

Environment , watts per sq ft , and dialed monocropped setups with bare bulbs or horizontal reflectors....I`m just sayin......

Sideways canopies with bare bulbs rule IME...No more from me here...and please.... ya`ll stop droppin bullshit in the posts like I`m an outsider , cuz I ain`t goin nowhere....

Peace.....DHF.........