Who's Behind Nat Geo....

[emilyC]

I don't own a television, I am immune to the death rays and brain re-arrangement that is perpetuated upon hundreds of millions every day.

go outside, take up a hobby, like reading romance novels..
I am awesome

 

[Noobian]

Ok now that I realize who Baba Ku is there's need for me to even get into this discussion with that guy. I have witnessed what comes about from that, and it is truly a waste of time and energy. I will just say though that any person that truly believes that the concentration of media ownership into a few outlets is a good thing for free speech and diversity of thought is seriously deluding themselves. It does not matter what political ideology is being espoused, conservative, liberal, anarchist, whatever, as long as there are only a limited number of players in the media you will have less free speech and less diversity of thought and opinion.

 

[Noobian]

Emily I don't have a tv either, however in this day and age if you have a computer and a high speed connection you don't really need one. I watch sports, news, movies, tv shows, just about anything and everything that is on tv I can find it online. It's really not that hard and you don't have to watch commercials so it's kinda awesome lol

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Could it be...I mean just maybe...that some people see things far different than they are in reality?

Sure there are, you're living proof.

Many folks seem to think that organizations like Fox News are evil and are the scourge of society because they blatantly throw out spin and call it news. They see them as putting out bad info, or out and out lies. They will tell you that Fox has an agenda, and that their agenda overrides any and everything that they present.

Lets see... looks like you're drifting back into reality.

What bothers me about these people is this....they can't give you any clear examples. Oh sure, they will run to the nearest Fox hate site on the internet to gather some ammo to argue with...but rarely do these folks have anything they can provide from personal experience mainly because they don't even watch the fucking thing. They have no idea what is really presented at Fox, yet they seem to have the nutsack to throw charges at them on an ongoing and continual basis. Let let their ill informed bias control most of their thoughts and just about anything they let slip from their pie hole.

Or, we could disregard what slips from your pie hole.

And they will NEVER worry about any sort of divisiveness or ill feelings...simply because the find anyone and everyone that isn't of their stripe to be a lesser individual or group.

Projection - 190 proof

Hell, I'm bias and will be the first to admit it. I lean right and have done so since I was a little kid. And I did not come up in a right wing family...in fact my family is fairly evenly divided when it comes to political leanings.

Not what you've said before. You've regarded yourself as your family's bastion of political sanity in the past.

Nobody cares what your political leanings are. It's your attitude that turns most people off. It doesn't have to be the subject of politics. Anything you have an opinion on you fall in the quicksand and fling the goo at everybody.

And I too see things happening on the tube...but I actually watch news shows and commentary from a number of sources. I sure don't rely on some hatgeful website to tell me what and how to think about things.

Nobody has yet to determine exactly how you make up your mind. It's prob ably got as much to do with the R beside the (pick an aspect) as much as anything else.

Nor do I simply take up the chant of the naysayers and finger pointers.

You're a card carrying Tea Partier, (and GOPer, whichever dies last) and Libertarian... as in, on occasion (honorable mention). The Tea Party hasn't even progressed beyond the word nay, yet.

I tend to judge things for what they are and not what others perceive them as.

You just have a 20/20 problem with two words - fact and facts.

You people talk about being bias to one side...have any of you watched CNN or MSNBC in the last 10 years? Or read the NYT or LA Times? If you do not see the completely bias bullshit that comes from these jewels, then I don't think you are looking. You simply have chosen sides and you will fight tooth and nail about it.

And we know how to tell a fact from a lie, too. An opinion from a fact from a lie, etc. Doesn't matter who the info comes from. They can all be called on the carpet if they gaff. You referencing reality is another issue, entirely, period.

Here is the big difference...
A right winged person can articulate the position of the right. Most anyone of that stripe knows what they are about, and they can tell you just what it means to be conservative and just what their agenda is. From the most common person to the candidate running, they can all pretty much tell you what is up with their thoughts and convictions.
BUT on the other hand, most people that are left leaning can't tell you one thing about what it means to be liberal. They probably can't even explain what liberalism and socialism really mean. They probably don't even know. But they will be the first to throw stones at the opposition no matter the subject.

Rhetoric, talking points.... hey hoosier, you know, what you were moaning about coming into this thread, lol.

You know, there was a study done by a major university awhile back (UCLA). It was all about the bias that was allegedly existing in our news outlets.
Going in it was the assumption that Fox News and the Wall Street Journal would be the most biased of all. Thing was, the study showed just the opposite of what conventional wisdom would dictate. Turns out that Fox news was far less bias and provided a much more balanced look at opinion. Especially since they go out of their way to provide people from BOTH sides of an argument and not just the mouthpieces that always chime in.
Seems the study showed that the orgs that were presumed to be fair and balanced were far from it, and the majority of their commentary as well as their news reporting was blatantly one sided. Imagine that.

Who paid for the study? YAY RUPERT!!!! BEST SURVEY MONEY CAN BUY

Here's a suggestion...
Next time you want to throw charges at a person or organization for being politically bias, GIVE SOME DAMN EXAMPLES. Back up what you provide, or back off. It's simple really.
Or is it that you are yourself bias, and could give a ripe fuck about what is right and what is not?

Says the least qualified to practice what he preaches. Projections of steroidal dimension.

*Greensub,
Would what you provided support the notion that Murdoch controls the content of the media outlets under his control and ownership? -or perhaps the opposite is being validated?

Why does Greensub care about your inquiries? I'll tell ya a secret, he doesn't. Because you'll bounce more blubber than a sea elephant and pretend it's relevant to anything... anywhere... any.. oops...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Emily I don't have a tv either, however in this day and age if you have a computer and a high speed connection you don't really need one. I watch sports, news, movies, tv shows, just about anything and everything that is on tv I can find it online. It's really not that hard and you don't have to watch commercials so it's kinda awesome lol

Yeah, and baba ku's not got his own radio or cable hour.

 

[Baba Ku]

I know what you need.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The study I cited was a unbiased study. What you are showing us is nothing but opinionated drivel.

You need to qualify a citation. The babaku seal of approval is pretty much worthless when it comes to your opinion. Otherwise, there's a slight chance you know what you're talking about.

The things that it points to showing that Fox news listeners are misinformed is a list of talking points. Take the first item...91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs.
From the piece we can assume that they authors have some sort of evidence that the legislation actually created jobs. Here we are in the worst employment situation of most of our lifetimes and we are to believe that what has been done so far as created jobs and economic growth? It hasn't, and to think that it hasn't is not in conflict with the facts.

You blaspheme the word fact. Even genuine facts get lost in that black hole between your ears and bounce back irrelevant.

I think your little disco dance is typical, and I really have no patience to even engage such ignorant bullshit.

Ah, too bad. I thought you might twirl in that cute little... whatever you're wearing.

Debating a person like you is very exhausting...I mean, you throw out how you read the HCB, and then call LIE.

This is child's play and I can assure you you're nothing infinitesimally close to debating. What you do is not unlike two drinkers at a bar... drinking, burping and farting. Somewhere in there you opine and it's nothing much different than the ambient noise.

Well, just what has been lied about? Give some specific examples that show that Fox has lied about it.

PERFECT EXAMPLE - you've been doing this for years, people bring you fact heaped on fact (for years,) you fact check nada and declare yourself champion and king of the world... you don't even pay attention, you just apply the wholesale hoosier discount.

Or that anyone has lied about it. I can show you just who HAS lied about it.
Just because you cry it out doesn't make it so. Well, not in other folks minds...perhaps that is all it takes in your world?

No, better yet...I will suspend myself from this thread.

Not happening, we couldn't get so lucky.

What you've got more of is bullshit talking points, one liners, and smarmy elitist remarks.

I know you are but what are we?

Fuck that.

More smarmy, koosier babby?

Oh, that's just the drip off the last smarmy?

Good to the last smarm?

Oh wait, I see you still have your purple crayon...

lol...you seem to think the NYT and The Guardian are credible and unbiased sources.
LOL...using opinion commentary as factual ammo, as if it were something of substance to back your side.
Opinionated drivel starts out with things like; "Murdoch the war monger", not news reporting. What do you not understand about that?

I understand you've never been considered for a Pulitzer. Oh yeah, you wouldn't know a fact that demonstrates a point you wish to disagree if and when it bites you in the assss.

"this is so easy" see, this sort of smarmy shit don't fly with me.

... as per Smarmy Smarm...

Fuck that.

and more smarm.

Baba projection... scratch that, Lota Projection is more like it.

In YOUR mind it's easy. Try citing news and facts, not drivel and commentary from like minded individuals?

Hoosier, you ain't got a drip of news in your being, just a new word to fling... SMARMY

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I know what you need.

I know what you're thinking... I need to be Hannitized, water boarded or brainwashed. No difference, same thing. Not much you've got I ain't already pointed out.

But I'll do like Billo, I'll let you have the last word....


not.

 

[Baba Ku]

You are quite the personal attack machine, aren't you?
So...you like your new screen name better than this one and could give a rats ass about getting tossed? Wait...maybe you are above all the other people that have been tossed out for much less? You must be, since you also troll at will without even a care...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You are quite the personal attack machine, aren't you?

personal attack machine, one in the same... HELLO BABA KU... HOODIE DU...

So...you like your new screen name better than this one and could give a rats ass about getting tossed?

You obviously don't give a rats ass about crying to mama. I already pointed it out in a previous thread. Here's a hint hoodie... if you do all the same crap you complain about... you're a projectionist, a hypocrite, a doing whatever you're complaining about bore.

Wait...maybe you are above all the other people that have been tossed out for much less? You must be, since you also troll at will without even a care...

Maybe you're just the same old guy you've always been, nothing new here. Move on.

 

[OsWiZzLe]

AMerican News outlets are fucken whack....str8 social engineering at its finest!!! people in the early 1900's are creating new technology up the ass and pumping it out like no other....no tv's to destroy ones values and make them lost....its really easy to see whats going on....the greatest country on earth got str8 pimped by bankers who aka own our media too..... shit will never get better until we take control of our own media back...that will never happen unless we give the bankers a boot too...think about how fucken amazing we used to be.....

 

[Closet_Grower]

im surprised baba ku even smokes weed... I think he needs something stronger to make his eyes open, lol.

 

[Baba Ku]

I think

Sure you do.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

u yo do.

 

[Closet_Grower]

Sure you do.

not quite sure where you're going with this... kinda sounds like something a four year old child would say.

As for the thinking part, I have done my thinking and have concluded that there are more sheeple (ie-you) in the world than free spirits, and due to multiple generations of greed and corruption we are forced to lay in the bed we made. Unfortunately the revolutionary thoughts that were brewing in the 60's, which could have changed the world we live in now, were systematically destroyed one by one by the government, or the 'SYSTEM' that you back up and follow whole heartily.

To be honest I skimmed the last few posts cause its all dribble. Right, left, up down its all a theatrical play to distract you from the truth. Blah blah Obama this Clinton that.... you're a sucker if you believe in anything your gov says to you. Open your eyes brotha!

Let me guess you supported the homeland security act? when are you signing up for your micro chip?

You might want to look into the values and ethics of "the most powerful country in the world" and you might not be so proud of them.

If you are as *ahem* smart, as you think you are, then I would conclude to say that you are one of the "bad guys".

do you work for fox news or NATGEO by any chance? lol... oh right your lining up at the welfare line... my bad. get me a double cheeseburger for me while ur there, im starving. you guys sell em for 39 cents in the states right? make it two. god bless this land.

 

[Baba Ku]

lol....

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

you laughing at my "NO CRAP HARDWARE" banner?

 

[Greensub]

The study I cited was a unbiased study.

I didn't argue with this study... what I said was is it doesn't take into account the commentary shows... Brit Hume is not the most conservative person on FOX. Here's what the UCLA study you mentioned said about who was on the right.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.

The thing with using that particular report now... is that it's out of date... It was released in 2005 and was being actually conducted between 2000 - 2004.

What you are showing us is nothing but opinionated drivel.

Oh it's opinionated all right...

The things that it points to showing that Fox news listeners are misinformed is a list of talking points. Take the first item...91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs.

So do you believe it lost jobs? quote "lost" jobs, in that jobs... were lost. I thought we were talking about not losing jobs and suddenly you jump to job creation... a completely different claim.

From the piece we can assume that they authors have some sort of evidence that the legislation actually created jobs. Here we are in the worst employment situation of most of our lifetimes and we are to believe that what has been done so far as created jobs and economic growth? It hasn't, and to think that it hasn't is not in conflict with the facts.

But after that... I think you're admitting that the stimulus did not lose jobs? You'll have to be clearer... it's a little confusing the way you made that argument. Apparently... I think you're saying that you're one of the 9% of fox viewers who realized the stimulus did not lose jobs... is that what you're saying?

See apparently 91% percent of FOX viewers other than you believe it lost jobs.

The report said nothing about people's belief as to whether or not it created jobs... so I have to try to interpret what you're saying correctly... you believe that it neither created or lost jobs? that it was perfectly neutral in action?

I think your little disco dance is typical, and I really have no patience to even engage such ignorant bullshit.

I'll assume you're calling me out as a sock... I'll admit I consider DiscoBiscuit a friend and like-mind on here. I'm not though... anyways, that's a red herring. As a matter of fact here's a link to a conversation he and I had about you and this thread last night... both logged on at the same time. I guess it's possible I was just chatting with myself to fool people... but really?

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=200558&page=14

Debating a person like you is very exhausting...I mean, you throw out how you read the HCB, and then call LIE. Well, just what has been lied about? Give some specific examples that show that Fox has lied about it. Or that anyone has lied about it. I can show you just who HAS lied about it.

Thanks for bringing it up... this was when I really started to get angry with the right last year. You see a friend of mine who's a teabagger forwarded me an email about the health care bill. This was way before the talking heads of the right were even focusing on it. It was an article called the first 500 pages of the health care bill.

The following list was compiled by Peter Fleckenstein of Phoenix, AZ. He's going through the bill page by page.

If you want to read the whole list, Google "the first 500 pages of the Healthcarebill". No Link, it was e-mailed to me.

VS

This is from a reliable source.............easier to read than 500 pages!!! Rather scary if this goes through!!
Subject: A few highlights from the first 500 pages of the Healthcare bill in congress


Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel about this. We, as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the items that are down right unconstitutional.

Peter Fleckenstein

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

I did a line by line refutation on this for my friend... unfortunately I cleaned out my email and don't have it any more. Let's compare a claim with what the bill said... just for fun.

Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

So for the slow among us... we're gonna go see what page 29 says about rationing.

29
•HR 3200 IH
(2) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—
(A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package with respect to an individual (or family) for a year does not exceed the applicable level spec8
ified in subparagraph (B).
(B) APPLICABLE LEVEL.—The applicable level specified in this subparagraph for Y1 is $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a
family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year by the annual percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index (United States city average) applicable to such year.
(C) USE OF COPAYMENTS.—In establishing cost-sharing levels for basic, enhanced, and premium plans under this subsection, the Secretary shall, to the maximum extent possible, use only copayments and not coinsurance.
(3) MINIMUM ACTUARIAL VALUE.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The cost-sharing under
the essential benefits package shall be designed
to provide a level of coverage that is designed

That's what page 29 says... I'll translate, it means that there is an annual limitation on what you pay out of pocket. See he completely skips over page 26-27...

SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.
(a) IN GENERAL.—In this division, the term ‘‘essential benefits package’’ means health benefits coverage, consistent with standards adopted under section 124 to ensure the provision of quality health care and financial security, that—
(1) provides payment for the items and services described in subsection (b) in accordance with generally accepted standards of medical or other appropriate clinical or professional practice;
(2) limits cost-sharing for such covered healthcare items and services in accordance with such benefit standards, consistent with subsection (c);
(3) does not impose any annual or lifetime limit on the coverage of covered health care items and services;

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200ih/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200ih.pdf

As we can see he was either a very poor reader... or he was out and out lying.

Just because you cry it out doesn't make it so. Well, not in other folks minds...perhaps that is all it takes in your world?

Reference the above... that hit piece email is all over the web... Google "the first 500 pages of the healthcare bill" and you'll find that posted everywhere. As I said I went through every claim and not everyone one was false... some of the claims didn't bother me.

This was the rhetoric I heard on FOX, Hannity, Mark Levin, Rush...

No, better yet...I will suspend myself from this thread.
What you've got more of is bullshit talking points, one liners, and smarmy elitist remarks.
Fuck that.

The above is none of those... I'm refering directly to the text of the law.

lol...you seem to think the NYT and The Guardian are credible and unbiased sources.
LOL...using opinion commentary as factual ammo, as if it were something of substance to back your side.
Opinionated drivel starts out with things like; "Murdoch the war monger", not news reporting. What do you not understand about that?

Check the links... I should have taken the time to quote directly from them.

"this is so easy" see, this sort of smarmy shit don't fly with me. Fuck that.

Ok... I'm sorry for the cheap shot

In YOUR mind it's easy. Try citing news and facts, not drivel and commentary from like minded individuals?

Ok that was cited facts.

 

[Baba Ku]

lol...fuckin' maroons

 

[mocs0]

Here is the big difference...
A right winged person can articulate the position of the right. Most anyone of that stripe knows what they are about, and they can tell you just what it means to be conservative and just what their agenda is. From the most common person to the candidate running, they can all pretty much tell you what is up with their thoughts and convictions.?

You mean bullshit talking points, one liners, and smarmy elitist remarks?

No, better yet...I will suspend myself from this thread.
What you've got more of is bullshit talking points, one liners, and smarmy elitist remarks.
Fuck that.

How do you operate a computer while your head is buried in the sand?

I'll give the republicans one thing: they are better at programming their republicrats than democrats are. Tow the line, baby!

Just admit you watch Fox for the blonde, blue-eyed female journalists.