Will California Vote to Legalize in November 2010?!

[Snowberry]

I think 19 will pass, barely.

Everyone knows the failed War on drugs rhetoric is as useless as fertilizer without water. Except those poor souls who swallow the tripe and ask for seconds.

Bottom line, sign up more pro-pot supporters than GOP can buy off decision makers.

P.T. Barnum said it best...."There's a sucker born every minute"

It's all about registering more voters and getting them off their ass on E-day...the clock is ticking......

 

[lokes]

This is just my two cents.
For those who think this measure will pass, lets take a minute to remember why Cannabis is illegal in the first place. It's not because it dangerous, or its a stepping stone drug, it's because the textile, Rx, Petroleum, and Alcohol industries have to much to lose.
*If you need more info pick up "The Emperor Wears No Clothes", by Jack Herer

With that being said, that's why I think this will never pass, cause those that be, don't want it too. They have to much to lose, which financially is much more than taxation can bring.

But hey, crazier things have been known to happen.

 

[diamondmine]

Old people love weed. And if you think these elderly conservatives will die off leaving no one to oppose your naive. Conservatives come young and old. And will continue to do so as long as we keep a flawed two party system.

I'm not naive because I am one of those, and I don't oppose.

 

[kmk420kali]

I don't think that it will pass because the older generation (aka grandparents) who make up a huge voting block will not vote in favor. I believe it will take a few more years after those good people have passed. I see 2015-2020.

Not only do many Seniors smoke... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDQMJo6Ijt8
But they are all about "Rights"--
19 cannot possibly pass, if it is only smokers that vote for it-- It is leading in Polls right now--

 

[SCF]

Not only do many Seniors smoke... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDQMJo6Ijt8
But they are all about "Rights"--
19 cannot possibly pass, if it is only smokers that vote for it-- It is leading in Polls right now--

That was a nice inspirational video. Thanks. I love seeing older people who use it for medicine. Because its more accepted, as older people are known for taking a lot of medication. So the eye candy and perception is easy for the non marijuana, or medical marijuana believer, or user can see. And maybe get educated on the facts, instead of fear based lies.

 

[GET MO]

Shit..... Ima be busy trimmin!

 

[Mad.Dapper]

WAKE UP! Prop 19 cant legalize recreational use

WAKE UP! Prop 19 cant legalize recreational use

News Flash: Prop. 19 Can't Legalize Recreational Use! But If It Passes, It CAN Subject Patients to All Its Burdensome Regulations, Control and Taxation.

One of the huge problems with Prop. 19 on which I didn't concentrate -- I was mainly trying to figure out what its actual terms did to patients' rights -- is that it purports to legalize recreational use. But while medical use can be legalized under state law and also federal law, recreational use remains totally illegal under federal law, which cannot be so easily trumped by a state law legalizing recreational use.
In California, medical marijuana laws have been held by appellate courts, most recently in Qualified Patients’ Association v. City of Anaheim (08/08/10) ___ Cal.App.4th ____, to not be pre-empted or prohibited by the federal Controlled Substances Act (CSA). The reason? Because, according to the U.S. Supreme Court, the CSA’s purpose “is to combat recreational drug use, not to regulate a state’s medical practices.” (County of San Diego v. San Diego NORML (2008) 165 Cal.App.4th 798, 826-827, emphasis added, citing Gonzales v. Oregon (2006) 546 U.S. 243, 272-273.)
So, if California tries to legalize recreational use by passing Prop. 19, even state courts will conclude, based on the current state of the law, that the purported state legalization laws are pre-empted and/or prohibited by federal law. (Whether the federal government, rather than the state, should have the power to regulate recreational drug use, is another subject, but that's going to be a long and expensive legal and/or political battle.)
What will that mean in terms of Prop. 19? Well, Prop. 19 includes a severability clause, so that if some portion of it is determined to be unenforceable that portion can be severed from the rest. Worst case scenario: the recreational use will be struck out, and patients will be left with all the bad aspects of Prop. 19 -- the total taxation, regulation and control aspects.
Even before litigation ends up establishing that recreational use is prohibited by the CSA, collectives and dispensaries shoiuld probably avoid distgributing marijuana to recreational users. Based on how the CSA has been held to reach recreational use, if Prop. 19 passes, any collective, dispensary or other distribution model for medical marijuana would be, in my opinion, ill-advised to begin to serve recreational users as well as medical users. I can well imagine the DEA raiding such establishments that have "commingled" recreational and medical use, since marijuana itself cannot be indentified as "medical" or "recreational." The DEA could seize everything, and prosecute the distribution centers and their owners.


Im interested in seeing the outcome of votes on this. When prop 19 was first introduced, I seen the fine print, and I read between the lines. If passed it would be an obvious set back to our movement, and a far cry from what prop 215 meant for the future of MMJ. It was obvious this would have ill consequences, and be very bad for the MMJ scene in CALI. I assumed when ppl seen "legal rec use w/ prop 19" many would vote for it, not seeing thru the words. But From what i see here many did their homework and see that prop 19 isnt the best thing for the ppl or the movement. How many are actually voting no on prop 19? VOTE<HONESTLY.

 

[Herborizer]

News Flash: Prop. 19 Can't Legalize Recreational Use! But If It Passes, It CAN Subject Patients to All Its Burdensome Regulations, Control and Taxation.

One of the huge problems with Prop. 19 on which I didn't concentrate -- I was mainly trying to figure out what its actual terms did to patients' rights -- is that it purports to legalize recreational use. But while medical use can be legalized under state law and also federal law, recreational use remains totally illegal under federal law, which cannot be so easily trumped by a state law legalizing recreational use.
In California, medical marijuana laws have been held by appellate courts, most recently in Qualified Patients’ Association v. City of Anaheim (08/08/10) ___ Cal.App.4th ____, to not be pre-empted or prohibited by the federal Controlled Substances Act (CSA). The reason? Because, according to the U.S. Supreme Court, the CSA’s purpose “is to combat recreational drug use, not to regulate a state’s medical practices.” (County of San Diego v. San Diego NORML (2008) 165 Cal.App.4th 798, 826-827, emphasis added, citing Gonzales v. Oregon (2006) 546 U.S. 243, 272-273.)
So, if California tries to legalize recreational use by passing Prop. 19, even state courts will conclude, based on the current state of the law, that the purported state legalization laws are pre-empted and/or prohibited by federal law. (Whether the federal government, rather than the state, should have the power to regulate recreational drug use, is another subject, but that's going to be a long and expensive legal and/or political battle.)
What will that mean in terms of Prop. 19? Well, Prop. 19 includes a severability clause, so that if some portion of it is determined to be unenforceable that portion can be severed from the rest. Worst case scenario: the recreational use will be struck out, and patients will be left with all the bad aspects of Prop. 19 -- the total taxation, regulation and control aspects.
Even before litigation ends up establishing that recreational use is prohibited by the CSA, collectives and dispensaries shoiuld probably avoid distgributing marijuana to recreational users. Based on how the CSA has been held to reach recreational use, if Prop. 19 passes, any collective, dispensary or other distribution model for medical marijuana would be, in my opinion, ill-advised to begin to serve recreational users as well as medical users. I can well imagine the DEA raiding such establishments that have "commingled" recreational and medical use, since marijuana itself cannot be indentified as "medical" or "recreational." The DEA could seize everything, and prosecute the distribution centers and their owners.


Im interested in seeing the outcome of votes on this. When prop 19 was first introduced, I seen the fine print, and I read between the lines. If passed it would be an obvious set back to our movement, and a far cry from what prop 215 meant for the future of MMJ. It was obvious this would have ill consequences, and be very bad for the MMJ scene in CALI. I assumed when ppl seen "legal rec use w/ prop 19" many would vote for it, not seeing thru the words. But From what i see here many did their homework and see that prop 19 isnt the best thing for the ppl or the movement. How many are actually voting no on prop 19? VOTE<HONESTLY.

This is absolute garbage and not the truth. The passage of Prop 19 will never ever hurt/cause negative effects to Prop 215. Cali can legalize even though Federal Law says otherwise. Medical and recreational makes ZERO difference. I dare you to find a shred of evidence that supports that. I am pretty sure you won't because the majority of the "no" crowd is just fear mongering.

Fear Mongering doesn't require a shred of proof. Just a bunch of garbage that creates fear and anxiety for people who don't know the facts.

 

[Tony Aroma]

This is absolute garbage and not the truth.

What he said.

Prop 19 explicitly protects mmj, and will have no effect on mmj patients or their rights.

And Prop 19 will not supersede or conflict with federal law. Federal law will remain unchanged. It just means that if the feds want to enforce federal law in CA, they will have to do it themselves. In other words, if someone is in possession of cannabis in CA, local cops would do nothing about it as it is a legal activity. On the other hand, nothing would stop a DEA agent from arresting and charging that person. Just like when NY state repealed their state prohibition law in the 1920s.

 

[SCF]

i voted yes. ballet sent!

 

[Herborizer]

i voted yes. ballet sent!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr Celsius]

I'm confused why these polls have the opinion of people that aren't in california.

They don't get to vote, it doesn't matter what they think.

 

[Herborizer]

I'm confused why these polls have the opinion of people that aren't in california.

They don't get to vote, it doesn't matter what they think.

I am guessing it mattered to the OP.

 

[kmk420kali]

I'm confused why these polls have the opinion of people that aren't in california.

They don't get to vote, it doesn't matter what they think.

And what part of Cali are you from??

 

[Mr Celsius]

And what part of Cali are you from??

The place where it isn't any of your fucking business. Unspoken rule on this site is you don't ask where someone lives.

Would you like my social, drivers license and home address?

Very rude.

Nor Cal, if it matters to you, cause it shouldn't.

Go take something and shove it.

Done with you and all the other sheep.

 

[Herborizer]

The place where it isn't any of your fucking business. Unspoken rule on this site is you don't ask where someone lives.

Would you like my social, drivers license and home address?

Very rude.

Nor Cal, if it matters to you, cause it shouldn't.

Go take something and shove it.

Done with you and all the other sheep.

This is a personal attack in my opinion... I am not going to take much offense though, because I was expecting this from you.

 

[Krull]

Growers are living real persecution here in Italy and patients have a really hard time in medicating themselves with cannabis.
So our hopes go for a big YES.
Some of you must understand that in other countries and on the media the whole thing will be seen as legalized: YES/NO. Black or white. It's very important to give a kick to years and years of cannabis disinformation and persecution. There will be plenty of time to improve the laws after this epocal change.

Peace

=K

 

[kmk420kali]

The place where it isn't any of your fucking business. Unspoken rule on this site is you don't ask where someone lives.

Would you like my social, drivers license and home address?

Very rude.

Nor Cal, if it matters to you, cause it shouldn't.

Go take something and shove it.

Done with you and all the other sheep.

Calm down son...I wasn't asking for your address....actually, I thought that you didn't live in Cali...my mistake--
You shove something asshole...I have never said a thing to you, for you to come at me like that-- Talk about rude...

 

[vta]

Kmk...don't mind the children....I would be sore if I was losing too.


CA Marijuana Initiative Prop 19 Still Leading, 48-44
By: Jon Walker Wednesday October 20, 2010 11:00 am



Proposition 19, the initiative to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana in California, is still holding on to a very narrow lead according to a new SurveyUSA poll.

SurveyUSA (10/15-10/18)
California voters may also vote on several propositions. On Proposition 19, which would change California law to legalize marijuana and allow it to be regulated and taxed, are you … Certain to vote yes? Certain to vote no? Or not certain? {Not Certain voters were asked: At this hour, on Proposition 19, do you … lean toward yes? lean toward no, or do you not lean?}
Certain Yes 48
Certain No 44
Not Certain 8

A SurveyUSA poll from early this month found Prop 19 winning 48 percent “yes,” -41 percent “no.” As expected with most ballot measures, it appears the undecided are breaking toward “no,” although the change is within the margin of error.

Importantly, the number of likely voters who plan to vote for Prop 19 seems to be holding remarkably steady. Almost every poll has found the percentage of voters planning to vote for the initiative hovering right around 50 percent.

Given the remarkable lack of movement in the polls, the incredibly high voter awareness of the ballot measure and the tendency for undecideds to break against an initiative, it’s passage or failure is going to come down to turnout. The young people who overwhelming support Prop 19 don’t tend to turnout in midterm elections, but if they do, they could put the initiative over the top. Either way, it will likely be an extremely close vote.

 

[zenoonez]

Non resident no vote simply for the fact that its not perfect. We all know what happens when Californians vote something into law as we all know about their real estate woes, so voting something into law that isn't perfect doesn't rank high on my list of should dos.