PA/NJ/DE GROWERS UNITE!

[xOOx]

ya, i hear ya, ya know tho, try to run a crop w/o the neem oil just once.. neem can last a long time on the leaves, granted not any new growth like the buds and stuff, only where the neem was sprayed.. but it can last..especially if your not rinsing down the plants w/plain water..like as if it was raining out..as rain takes away its effectiveness..anc clears the plant of the oil..but i've read articles that sprayed neem on stored food can last 6-8 months...and i still wouldn't want to smoke it..as it can cause liver damage..

if you don't have bugs then don't spray anything, all natural until you have to bring on the guns .. use one of those NPS no pest strips if you're not going to be in there, the half life on the chemical it uses is only a few days, and there is no residual left in the plants systemically after its gone..i read a study..i'd trust NPS .. you can't be around it tho.. but once its removed, after 3-6 days later, there are no traces of it left.

xoox

 

[Lapides]

....or I could just switch to Avid.

If you ever had the chance to get my herb, you would never smoke the FAN LEAVES that get sprayed with neem oil in the first 2 weeks. No liver damage, no ill health whatsoever from anything I grow, I can assure you. My weed is the only weed I smoke, so I make damn sure the stuff is proper.

The fan leaves don't even make the cut for the trim I make hash with.

 

[xOOx]

well we need more of you who respect their plants as much as you do Lapides..i dunno what people r thinkin sometimes, just to make a buck..not thinking about peoples health or anything..i forget the criminal element sometimes..back in the 17 and 18 year old days i probably wouldn't of given a fuck either..

we need older croppers, older croppers with respect for your health..

some kinda symbol you can put on the baggies

"Grown with LOVE" and a heart or something LOL

xoox

 

[Lapides]

"Grown with LOVE" and a heart or something LOL

Yeah there we go. That sounds good.

 

[WeldFlash420]

Nice show Lapides! Just got some new beans today...Bubba Chunk, Toxic Blue from Mota, and BLue Moonshine. Can't wait to be able to pop these along with a whole pile of others just achin to pop too....peace and shine on good people of the tristate.

 

[Red_Nine]

Weld, congrats on the new genetics. That BC should be dank and I've always been happy with anything mota creates. I'm interested in how the Blue Moonshine turns out. What's the lineage on the Toxic Blue?

xOOx, have you ever used predator bugs to kill mites? I don't use anything on my plants to kill bugs, and I've never had a problem with them until recently. I've been picking them off as best I can, but have been thinking about some predator mites. If you have tried them, what is your opinion? Thanks for posting the info you posted. Alot of new growers get off on the wrong foot from reading magazines and such that promote spraying all kinds of shit on your plants to kill bugs. Someone needs to educate them and you did a good job. Keep spreading the word. K.I.S.S.= Keep It Simple Stupid . I wish more people would.

Bear, nice pics bro. You know I love that Casey, and you know how I feel about Bubba. Keep up the good work, as usual.

pthway4, I don't know offhand of a journal or pics, but I could probably help you out if you want. Let me know what you need to figure out. It's all about organization, planning and timing. It really helps to know your strains, such as how long they take to clone and veg, and how long they take to fully flower. You just need to have your next batch ready to put into the flower room as soon as you harvest. You will need room for the flower room, clone area and veg area. If you are growing different strains and want them all to finish at the same time, you need to know how long they take to flower for sure, as you'll need to start the longer flowering strains first, then add the slower finishers later. But like I said before, them better you know your strain(s), them easier it will be, and the more success you will have in a truly perpetual harvest. Let me know if you still need more info, I'd be glad to help all I can. Don't need you running out of smoke or anything,lol.

Lapides, quite the selection you have there. And some oldschool genes to boot. That Dabney stands out, as well as the ae77 calio and the MSS. That Bubba is the shiznit, is it not? Looks great, great selection of moms. Keep posting those dank pics.

 

[barletta]

Lapides, that room looks ready to rock

pthway, just keep slidin em in... I fukked up my perpetual by letting my veg side slide. It was cranking right along, I was pulling out a few plants a week. Then I didn't have the clones rooted to keep up, so I had to flip moms, then those cuts weren't rooting, and I had to start cracking seed... As it was, I ended up dropping off below 50% of production, and it is taking a while to come back. If I scerew up a 'crop', I can start over in 2 mo. If I screw up the veg side on my perpetual, it just keeps hurting...

 

[Bake_McBride]

Red, thanks for the warm welcome. Feels good to be part of a F.A.M.I.L.Y. I didn't realize how organized F.U.C.K.E.M. is. Can't wait to start contributing to and benefitting from my new F.A.M.

Vin, 'sup, bro? No pix lately, but I'll dust off the old digicam and snap a few flix of the ladies.

Uber21, have only had the pleasure of running one, but looking fwd to running them all.

BB, don't you just love it here? No place on the 'net I'd rather be. Nice pix, your CJ looks delish.

pthway4, I feel your pain. I've been trying to get a perpetual setup going for years now. I was doing pretty good until I switched to e&f. Could never get caught up with my cloning. I was trying to take clones off my clones and there were never enuff to replace what was harvested. Recently started a coupla mother plants, so we'll see how that works.

Lapides, nice set up. Something about you seems very familiar. Looking fwd to seeing your rooms fill up.

xOOx, amen bruh. Respect for the plant is paramount. Instead of funky chems to kill bugs, I've been using organic pesticide with Spinosad. Kills spider mites and thrips, my two arch-enemies. The stuff is certified organic and according to the label, harvest a week after the last spray and you should be good. Found it locally, too.

Weld, good luck with the new beans. Always good to expand the stable.

Barletta, what you say is so true. Once you start sliding on the veg side, it's nearly impossible to get caught back up. My flower room isn't even half full now, though it's only been that bad since I stopped cloning off of clones and started mother plants.

Bake

 

[Brother Bear]

Bogglegum S1





Stickyberry X AK47





PEACE IN THE EAST !!

 

[xOOx]

bbear with the shit!

red.. i've never used predatory bugs on any of the stuff i grow herbs or otherwise, but i did research it.. thing is with the predatory bugs.. they don't wipe out everything..unless you have a small infestation..and some of them die themselves, and if you start using alternate methods to control sometimes you kill the good bugs along with the bad.. pretty soon you can't tell what's a good bug and a bad bug if you got all kinds of diff bugs runnin all around, especially if you have a major infestation of evil bugs, lol...

best way really is to take a clone of all the infected plants.. isolate them (use all clean pots, clean dirt, or whatever if you use hydro..everything new and clean) and dip the cutting is some type of horticultural oil..you can submerge the whole cutting for a second or two, dunk it. i've never used neem, but i've used the 'JMS stylet oil' on a regular ornamental plant and it wiped out a small spider mite population insantly - like they just melted, webs and all. it's basically like a more refined neem oil i think. but again oil is more like a control, keepin their numbers down, it does wipe them out if the population isn't that established, but usually its not a wipe out cure..

it also depends on what kinda bugs you got, if you got fungus gnats, use 'gnatrol', that worked for me, 100x better then mosquito dunks. after 3 waterings with gnatrol water they were all gone. killed the larva, and the adults just died off in a few days..yellow sticky traps too .. to catch the remaining adults..

if its mites, i heard from some respected peeps who actually used it ..that avid is the most kick ass of all of them, but avid has a LONG half life and its very toxic to pets humans whatever, its a poison. its systemic so the plant sucks it up into itself from the soil and if any mite munches on the plant they die, and so do you if you smoke it. never use in flower, NEVER. you can't flush it.

but again, i'd take a clone, dip the clone in a horticultural oil, root it..let it get adjusted to its new dirt..then treat the clones soil w/avid after a few days, isolate for a while, take a cutting from that clone mom when its ready and those are your flower plants, if the bugs come back they are hiding out elsewhere..coming off a house plant maybe..gotta clean your room out, all the dirt..larva can hide under pots and in dirty trays/etc...

if you got bugs and your way too far in flower, best bet is the 'hot shots no pest strip' hang it high in the flower room, and stop your ventilation..otherwise it disperses the chemical in the no pest strip too thin to be effective.. prob best time to shut it down is at night when temps aren't a prob, just bring everything to a stand still in there, maybe might have to use two no pest strips if you got a monster room, you can smell them they have an odor if they are fresh.. a weird smell.. after a night with the NPS most mites will be dead..but not gnats. they r immune.. i believe mite populations hatch every couple weeks, so will have to repeat the NPS attack on the new brood .. until they r all gone.. sometimes i think female mites egg can go into like a hibernation in the soil for monnnths.. and then pop up and start a colony again..so soil avid treatment kills those suckers if its that kinda infestation.

if its all good, then just throw a fresh no pest strip in the room hanging up high as you can just to maintain control.. maybe figure out a way to stop the ventilation occasionally..just to bring the concentration of the NPS chem up a little bit.. then pull them out of the flower room a couple weeks before harvest to have the chemical dissipate..during yer flush..the chemical in NPS breaks down quickly and i believe i read that any sytemic effects it has (which is very little) vanish in a couple days.

the idea is you kinda want to finish a plant from flowering to end w/o anything sprayed on it,

bake, i guess that stuff is organic? i should read about it. but you know what happens when u heat it..? any studies on smoking it? i just wouldn't use/spray anything on buds if i didn't have too.. when you heat chemicals they change properties ya know, maybe its ok to eat spinosad, but not to smoke it at 400+ degrees.. and if u make it to the end and a couple mites pop back up..a few smoked mites never hurt any1,

i rather smoke a mite then oil or pesticide ... i mean maybe some people it doesn't effect, but sensitive people like me can notice something doesn't taste right or a little nausia..

if you flower outside the buds r loaded with natural bugs, and the predators outside keep everything in check.. sometimes certain strains are just more likely to be attacked..maybe they taste better.. or aren't are greasy or who knows why the bugs like that strain better.. maybe time to switch to a more resistant strain ..

p.s. bake:

The half-life of spinosad degraded by soil photolysis is 9-10 days. It is less than 1 day for aqueous photolysis and leaf surface photolysis results in a half-life of 1.6 to 16 days. The half-life of spinosad degraded by aerobic soil metabolism in the absence of light is 9-17 days. Hydrolysis does not contribute significantly to degradation as spinosad is relatively stable in water at a pH of 5-7 and has a half-life of at least 200 days at a pH of 9. The leaching potential of spinosad is very low due to a moderate Kd (5-323), low to moderate water solubility and short residual in the environment. Thus, it does not pose a threat to groundwater when used properly and no buffer zones are required by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (Saunders and Bret, 1997).

taking the longest half life of 17 days, and remember that's HALF life, so 17*2 is 34 days until its gone. so you better be stopping 35+ days before harvest otherwise you're smoking it.

edit: i just re-read that, wow 200 days in soil in certain cases! and i wanted to say the avid even floromite/etc should never be used on any plant you plan to harvest..it works cause it stays active for weeks and weeks, so new population of mite come out and munch and die..unless you really think you got it down, i would only treat moms and start fresh.

lol. suvivorman!! .. to a healthier pot !! "Grown with LOVE" :heart:

xoox

 

[xOOx]

more info on avid.. avid is not approved for consumable foods at all, they will not grant it that label. seems like they claim avid sprayed on surface soil is a 1 week half life, so 2 weeks until its useless, but that does NOT mean its totally gone..degraded chemicals can remain.the other 98.x% of crap. plants will NOT soak up avid from the roots/soil.. but it does soak thru plant material..like foliar feeding will.. and is systemic that way.. the lower the PH the longer the half life..

like a ph of 6 avid mix will last maybe 2 weeks.. and leave residue and residual crap on the plants for much longer..when smoked who knows? if you spray some ph9+ water on the plant it will only half life of 1-2 days.. so ph matters on these pesticide half lifes.. especially if its in dark too. lots of factors, i would just think its safer to just treat the moms and let the flowering plants go natural to the end .. no sprays no chemicals, no additives..

if you wanna get into more details even the nutrient chemicals people think they r flushing, but they last even longer.. that's why i said keep it simple, try not to use all these boosters and flavorers and that 'super huge buds secret formula', u just dont know whats going in there, and when they r heated, it changes the game.. avid has been know to weaken immune systems, make u ill, etc.. if i was using the herb medically i'd not want any extra chemical in my system that could have an adverse reaction..

also remember anything u r reading on the internet for avid is based on outdoor use, not indoor closed enviroments..the outside hastens degredation by microbial activity in the soil...rain...weather... avid is not suppose to be used indoors..and/or on any consumable foods.. so i cringe thinking about people spraying there 30 days flower buds yeah its killin the mites d00d.. yeah thanks, oh hey why is my eye twitching? wtf! i can't stop my leg. lol

xoox

 

[Brother Bear]

xOOx - have you ever had mites ?
or used any of the products you are talking about ?

 

[Lapides]

xOOx - have you ever had mites ?
or used any of the products you are talking about ?

I was wondering that myself.

And for the record, I was only kidding about avid. For more than 10 years I have NEVER used any chemical in/on my plants and never will. And that includes pest strips. Why anyone would ever use something that would dis-allow them entrance into their grow because the environment is too toxic, even if for just a day or two, is beyond me.

Mites and pests are just a part of growing. They're easy to get rid of and keep at bay if you know how the pests re-act with your warfare.

 

[xOOx]

yes on nps,
yes on jms,
yes on gnatrol,

..and some others i haven't mentioned here that failed to do what they said on the package..

yes on mites, but never on weed, other ornamentals near weed

no on avid.. only going from other peoples experiences that the product works,
and the half life data is as real as it gets..i would not use it on a plant thats going to be flower'd and harvested, but i'm not others.

no on beneficials.. well actually once i tried lady bugs for something else outside, and released a handful inside, but they all just croaked after a few days. got them from a nursery. waste of money. and back then i didn't realize you were suppose to release them at night so they stay on the plants and eat in the morning, so they all just flew away, lol.

but i've read tons and tons of experiences on beneficials..
and i remember them all -- not just from here
imho they work on small infestations, but not large ones, and used
mostly for control purposes - not total elimination like they would like to claim

but i thought i said all that in my post?

but damn bbear, ok dewd you got me!
i never grew a plant in my life.. and i don't even smoke weed.
i'm high on life, st0nerz!

shit mon, i'm really into the sewing forum!! u'd dig my limited wooden thimbles ..
LOL

xoox

 

[Lapides]

I was merely busting balls. My herb is done properly, and for whatever reason, (maybe I thought you were referring to me as one of the tri-state croppers) I felt the need to speak up.

I started in my closet with a 400w MH and a 400HPS to grow herb for myself. It just so happens that I have a lot of friends who think I did/do great work, and it all sorta spiralled out from there.

 

[xOOx]

it was not directed towards any1 here, lol i'd have no idea if i even smoked anyones here, but chances are i have...maybe people who don't post or join.. and then after reading what i said maybe people will be more careful with poison that's all..i got ya on the NPS, but you can do small treatments, like maybe 3 days, then wrap it back up in the foil and put it in a plastic bag airtight.. so its not emitting the chemical all the time..

some exposure probably won't do anything, but prolonged exposure..like if you hang it above your bed, you're asking for cancer w/the nps...

i would only crack one at the sign of trouble, and do maybe 1 week of it, then wrap it back up..and if i see more activity, another week..etc..the chemical degrades away quickly after its removed..hold your breath open the door run in grab it, bring it outdoors where it has lots of air so it can't concentrate..seal it..put it away until next time..nps wiped out mites on a friend of mines, no sign of them at all after it was used..but used properly..ventilation off

xoox

 

[Brother Bear]

guess i am just getting pissy over things
no offense to either of you :friends:
i know it love of the plant and smoke - and of course one's health

i know the shyt is bad and i have always avoided using it
but mites fugged my cab up very very quick
and i needed something that worked fast and the first time

i put a lot of work and love into my gear, and i hate using chems when all else is organic
and it sucks to read people raging about it
granted you have every right too, as it is some horrible stuff
see like i said i was just gettin pissy LOL
don't mind me, i'll be in a corner sulking

 

[xOOx]

oh yeah, bbear ...

it's a real thug collection,
pm me if u wanna trade any^^

peas out <hits chest>

LOL

xoox

 

[Red_Nine]

xOOx, thanks for the info, I appreciate it. I think I'll just stick with picking them off this crop, as I've been able to control them enough so far, and dip new cuts like you suggested. Also, how do I go about obtaining one of those wooden thimbles? I could use a new one. Thanks.

 

[Bake_McBride]

xOOx, thanks for the info. I haven't used it in my flower room, only the veg room and clones. I never considered the difference b/w eating and smoking the stuff.

Bake