The naming strains debate (Warning-may be long winded)

[Jon]

So obviously it’s a big no-no to rename strains. We all know this.

The case in point: I was gifted a great sativa clone that’s a Super Silver Haze x Dutch Dragon. This really awesome hippy guy named Timbo gave it to me. We’re both medical growers and he was like, “Dude…since you do outdoors, try this out and let me know how it goes! Just remember who gave it to you.” He told me to go ahead and put it outdoors right away (this was back in March) because “it’s a pure sativa so no way it flowers.”

Well he was wrong. I picked all the flowers, fed her some nitrogen, and started to re-veg her under 24 hour lights. The flowers, after quick drying (buds in paperbag in a clothes dryer.  ) the joint I smoked was wonderful! Not much on flavor (obviously) but a great clear headed high and this is about 2-3 weeks immature! AND she’s currently in miracle grow and I gave mostly tap water her whole life. I was low on cash so I went the easy route for her because I figured I wanted to take clones off of her anyway.

Anyway, I can’t find anything on this cross and I’d love to supply it to California dispensaries once our next president (Let’s go Barack or Hilary!) goes through with their promises to end federal raids.

I was thinking about naming her “Timmay” after both the man who gave her to me and the South Park character. I’m telling you, this weed makes you ignorantly happy! I can’t wait until late Oct/ earl November so I can taste the final product.

 

[perpetuallylost]

i've always felt that if you didn't breed it, you have no right renaming it. just my 2 cents. there are SOOO many people who decide to give a strain some funky ass name, thus making it nearly impossible for future growers to find info on it. happens all the time. really doesn't do much more than confuse people. once again, just my 2 cents.

 

[Jon]

i've always felt that if you didn't breed it, you have no right renaming it. just my 2 cents. there are SOOO many people who decide to give a strain some funky ass name, thus making it nearly impossible for future growers to find info on it. happens all the time. really doesn't do much more than confuse people. once again, just my 2 cents.

Even if one is completely honest with the genetic origins?

 

[Guest]

I think that unstabilzed crosses should be called this x that. Until you have a few generations under your belt how can it be your creation. Naming a strain should be left to those that have put in the work and selection. If you haven't selected for your own desired traits and stabilized it, it's just a mutt. JMHO

 

[Raco]

Well,I use to name my own crosses .If they are well docummented,the future growers have all the info.
i.e.:One of the last crosses made by charlie garcia and I started just as Deep Chunk x Highland Nepalese ...now it´s known as Neeples and it rocks (not brag intended at all) :smile:

 

[Jon]

So what do we think of JillZ and Subcool who was gifted a beautiful clone from a hippy couple named Melvin? They proceeded to flower it out and rename it Orange Velvet.

I'm in a similar situation except I was told to "remember who gave it to you." It just seems to me, that in our particular culture there’s a long history of strain naming.

Kush and Sour Diesel are said to be the same exact thing. GDP, Urkel, Grape Ape, etc, etc, are ALL just referred to as Grapes by the black youth of Northern California.

In the same spirit there’s a huge pissing contest over who created the original Grand Daddy Purple. There’s been strain hording that’s caused damn near extinction in a lot of cases.

It seems to me that there shouldn’t be a big hubbub over giving a strain a nickname as long as credit is due wherever credit is. Timbo is the man who gave me this beautiful plant that I now feel should be the foundation of any sativa crosses I want to make.

 

[Rainman]

Jon - Not to be rude but that was the ridiculous to say that "grapes" is used by the black youth in Norcal. Alot of various people who are not into the cannabis scene refer to most of the purple strains as grapes. Race has nothing to do with the lingo so lets not perpetuate yet another stereotype here.

I agree with Raco here. If I cross it and I can document my efforts then I should be the one to name it. Given that no one has done the same cross and beat me to it. Who gets to name it several people come out with their version of the same cross??

 

[perpetuallylost]

"So what do we think of JillZ and Subcool who was gifted a beautiful clone from a hippy couple named Melvin? They proceeded to flower it out and rename it Orange Velvet."

in this particular instance, they had no idea as to the strains origins. true enough, a rose by any other name still smells as sweet but in trying to be as exact as possible, renaming strains just causes confusion, especially if you already know the lineage. i've always felt that the time and effort put into selection etc. kinda gives you the right to name a strain whatever you want . simply taking somebody else's work and putting your name on it is, to me, the same as plagarism. this is why there are a hundred names for the same strain on the west coast. everybody wants to take credit for what somebody else did. just my 2 cents.

 

[Raco]

Purple Chitral (f) x Uzbeki (m) F1
"The Pink Planther "

 

[Guest 16149]

Very Sweet looking Raco

 

[anikas88]

Hmm i see this happening all the time, sometimes it causes confusion, sometimes it the name sticks and becomes a well known strain, whats to stop someone getting your timmay clone and renaming it something else and so on,

 

[xOOx]

nice lookin' pix here. way i see it is, since there isn't a real official place to keep names for strains because almost all governments don't even want to recognize cannabis for some strange reason, it was never really written down. and if it was its kinda shady, or underground. sure we have the indica (bush cannabis), the sativa (tree cannabis), the autoflower (ruderalis? mix of the two or its own ?) yeah, and what was it that was claiming to be a unique 4th base model? the rastafari? all stemmed from pure land races at some point in time. they weren't man made.

all cannabis is a mix of these or pure. look at regular non-weed flowers, there are many many subtypes for any given species of your garden variety plant, and only way one gets a special name from the rest (or the base model/the native) is if it exhibits a certain specific identifiable trait - and let it be cutting propogated, or from seed IBL - these do get unique names, and ARE patentable!! it must produce the same traits over and over to make it unique and different from the rest. if it's a mix of two known, it's a hybrid. sure, you can go and patent that too. but if it looks like some other plant exactly, you won't get it.

for example, to me, all kush looks the same for sure. no way you can miss that super mutant brain looking trait. so there you go, you have the kush. and everyones cutting of the kush which may be more or less potent then the other.

then i've seen some kinda strange looking specimins in the sativa threads. some very unique ones with purple frilly like pistils and hazes.

then the wally dude with his ducts foot looking plant. unique.

these are all unique things, and deserve a unique name. and if it was legal, you could patent it, lol.

is it the way it smells, the way it branches in veg, the way the flowers look full bloom, or the high that make it unique enough for it to get its own name. or is it just a slightly different variations from a known genetic.

what does it look like, does it look like an SSH? you can call it silver dragon?

or just timbo's SSH. or does it look like dragon more.. get my meaning? Timbo's Dragon

here's something to think about: everyone who grows a new rose, can't just put their name on it that easily, unless it's BLUE in color of course

xoox

 

[perpetuallylost]

"and if it was legal, you could patent it, lol."

my point is that if you could patent it, what we're discussing would be plagarism. unless you alter the strain through your own selective breeding you're just stealing someone else's HARD work. by no means is breeding a new strain easy or quick, this is why being able to name your own strain is such a great reward. i hope you don't think raco took somebody else's plant and named it "The Pink Planther ", i would imagine innumerable hours went into making that strain. naming strains should be left to the people who's blood, sweat, and tears go into creating the strains.

 

[xOOx]

pl:

of course, that's what i mean. if it has something unique to only that plant and no other, for sure you can name it. as long as you keep the name and let everyone know its cutting propogated only. but in a legal world, expect to be sued if it's just a known ssh pheno.

don't forget it's also in discovery. if you're walking down in the rain forest and you stumble across a certain lily that's spotted with white and yellow dots and smells like poop, you sure can go ahead patent the stink lilly. if nobody challenges you, it's yours.

countless types of named variaties were just discoveries of certain individuals (or phenos) of a type of plant that exhibit a unique trait, and are only cutting propogated. it could be the things i've mentioned above, or it's ability to resist pests and disease, length of bloom, duration of bloom, abundance of bloom (big bud?), unique appearance, etc. if nobody steps up to say, hey that's just a run of the mill kush, or thai, or columbian, so be it. it's yours.

but again, back to the duck plant, you show me another one with those traits with a different name and wally would be stepping up to sue in a second oh wait, it's not legal, you can't. he'll yell really loud at that person

someone should have a thread, and say post your most unique looking individual from a specific line, and really try to document to see how many different types are out there. once and for all! but again it's kinda hard to do this successfully when its not legal ;(

xoox

 

[Wunderkind]

I've renamed shit I've received. Whether it be the original name is stupid or it's an unnamed cross. The names aren't misleading or anything, just an improvement.

 

[Raco]

I've renamed shit I've received.

Well,I´ve renamed this particular cut..TomHill´s X-18,pure old world paki
It´s the only one docummented so far,now I call it "XVIII"
Hope you don´t mind

 

[Jon]

Rainman,

As a black man in Northern California, I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all considering that in my time around the herb they’re the only cats who refer to purple strains as grapes and do not WILL NOT accept that anything they consider to be fire is not grapes. Considering they get all their knowledge from Mac Dre and E40, it is not a stretch to say that they will refer to all purple strains as Grapes. On the other end of the photonegative spectrum, I spend some time around many dispensary owners, the majority being Caucasian (I’ll keep it PC because unfortunately society has groomed a lot of oversensitive Americans) and have never heard them use the term. They typically call Purps or Purple. Bottom line is, unless you’re from my neck of the woods – it’s hard for you to tell me that it’s just a stereotype when it really is what it is. It’s not a race thing as much as it’s a social economic maturity thing. Sure there are young guys who choose to educate themselves in the herb, and that’s when they step away from the 7-11, gas station, bus stop places to peddle their wares and effectively move up from being called “youths.”

x00x,

I understand and respect your advice. It makes sense to attribute the strain to both the original grower and the strain. I like the idea of calling it Timmay’s Silver Dragon. That’s catchy as hell! And trust me, the nickname is closer to the man’s real name than the name I used in the first thread, know what I mean?

Perpetually lost,

So even with me making it a tribute to him along with me being completely open about the genetics, you’d still feel like I was stealing his hard work? The way I see it, I’m giving him all the props in the world. It’s the least I can do considering the plant was a gift.

See check out the last two guys. It just seems to be part of stoner culture. It’s hard to call it ripping off if you’re not claiming to be the one to have bred it. Consumers (especially Cali medical consumers) seem to need a name to attach to the product.

P.S.

Someday I’ll grow out Willie Nelson and I’m going cross it with the Silver Dragon. I just have to write it down now before I forget.

 

[Grizz]

I think that unstabilzed crosses should be called this x that. Until you have a few generations under your belt how can it be your creation. Naming a strain should be left to those that have put in the work and selection. If you haven't selected for your own desired traits and stabilized it, it's just a mutt. JMHO

just like chem dawg , just a mut. name the mut anything you wan't, if its good smoke the name will stick. speaking of names why did you pick a name already in use?

 

[Bubble Puppy]

I want to name my crosses,cause its easier imo ,to have a 2 word name .As long as the lineage is out in the open ,i don't see the big deal

 

[Mountain_Monkey]

I'm of the opinion that 'strains' that are handed around from grower to grower in clone or seed form can be called whatever the person chooses to call them, its really of no consequence to anyone what the name of their smoke is really.On the other hand, if it for the purpose of breeding with the end product being sold as seed to a large number of people who may in turn include the genetics in their own breeding programs then the origins of the parent plants should be stated.Just my opinion... oh and I nearly 4got what this thread was even about after seeing Raco's pics... mouthwatering!!! excellent work friend...