X-Ray Proof Reusable Mailing/Smuggling Containers

[Guest]

Hey,

I just thought everyone should be aware of these X-RAY proof bags produced by Sima Products Corp.

I've been playing with mine for a few days now...you can use them again and again.

I can only imagine what uses ICMAG members might have for these products.

The SMALL bag MODEL FSM ($14.95 USD):





The LARGE bag MODEL FSX ($29.95 USD):





The "FSX" model of the products WILL defeat even super powerful scanners such as the CTX-5000 at your favorite airport.


Enjoy...

 

[LiLWaynE]

cool... never heard of this stuff... wouldnt mind jamming one with some buds on the next flight..

 

[hamstring]

Greta catch mjolnir

Tell us more.

Do you think the airport or mail would be suspicious if one of these things went through the x-ray machine?

What does the image look like does it draw attention to the package or luggage.

 

[Guest]

in any security concious airport, IME, if they can't see into a package in your carryon luggage then you better be ready for a search.

You don't think people have tried out the whole 'hiding something in a chunk of metal/lead" before?

You sure this isn't just some sort of foil/mylar bag?

anyway, could be a good product. I probably would do a dry test run with it first just to see how the security people will react.

 

[hubcap]

Do you think the airport or mail would be suspicious if one of these things went through the x-ray machine?

What does the image look like does it draw attention to the package or luggage.

not a pro....
but, if its an 'x-ray' proof pkg, then it will appear a soild white, or bright color on the display(some machines are opposite. it will be all dark but most will be lighter in color...) sort of looks like a negative taken from older film cameras.

if it cant see thru it, it appears bright on the screen. sort of like bones on an xray image. if youve ever seen an xray image. regardless if its light or dark colored on the image, it will be a large solid color. that will raise suspicion cuz the machine cant see whats inside. it cant dissiminate any objects from a solid colored image. instant alarm, for security, imo.....

and, if you are in any kind of serious security situation, you can pretty much guarantee 'they' are gonna wanna know whats inside. or at least closely inspect the parcel. imo, i tihnk it would hinder more than help.

 

[Guest]

You sure this isn't just some sort of foil/mylar bag?

anyway, could be a good product. I probably would do a dry test run with it first just to see how the security people will react.

No, it's not mylar...I am absolutely positive that it's made with lead. The whole thing only weighs as much as an unopened dvd, however.

I am going to do some test runs for sure. Perhaps I will first stick a post-it note inside a plain envelope, thats says "What the fuck are you looking at, asshole?" before placing it in the lead bag, then finally into a next-day envelope.

Additionally, the product MIGHT be good for shoplifting. I put my cell-phone inside, and tried calling it, and it didn't ring. I am guessing this could help facilitate theft in stores that use electronic article surveillance systems. (No more cutting shit out of the package, simply place the desired goods into your magic bag and walk out of the store with a shit-eating grin).

Stealing is illegal though, and should be...unlike marijuana cultivation for the home enthusiast. My deviate ideas are simply ideas...nothing more.

 

[LiLWaynE]

^ try it out, make a thread

 

[Guest]

not a pro....
but, if its an 'x-ray' proof pkg, then it will appear a soild white, or bright color on the display(some machines are opposite. it will be all dark but most will be lighter in color...) sort of looks like a negative taken from older film cameras.

if it cant see thru it, it appears bright on the screen. sort of like bones on an xray image. if youve ever seen an xray image. regardless if its light or dark colored on the image, it will be a large solid color. that will raise suspicion cuz the machine cant see whats inside. it cant dissiminate any objects from a solid colored image. instant alarm, for security, imo.....

and, if you are in any kind of serious security situation, you can pretty much guarantee 'they' are gonna wanna know whats inside. or at least closely inspect the parcel. imo, i tihnk it would hinder more than help.

Perhaps I agree with you in regard to airports. Until someone tries it, and gets a "Notice Of Search" in their suitcase, simply for having a solid black blob show up during an x-ray scan, we won't know. I don't fly on planes, because airlines/airports do not abide by the constitution.

I mean, it's all down to, how would you prefer the contents of your package to look to the x-ray technician?

Would you like a lead lined bag, which gives the x-ray technician a view like this?



Or would you prefer the entire incriminating contents of your package to be displayed for all to see?



Mail is a different thing however. When you mail shit (USPS) you don't agree to package your parcel so that it's x-ray friendly. Having someone open your mail because they can't see inside, is like the FBI arresting you because you told them "I have nothing to say" during a line of questioning.

Protecting your parcels from the "wondering eye" of an x-ray technician makes as much, or more sense, as closing the blinds of your house when you have dope or contraband in plain sight, or decide to fuck your wife.

Lead shows up as black or white on x-rays, just as you said.

Simply wrapping shit in "metal" doesn't help you...it must be lead. Take a look at these x-rays of various firearms. You'll notice that you can see right through the steel of the gun body, magazine, spring, etc. The ONLY part that is not transparent, is the lead of the bullets.

So, as irishSoCo suggests, no, I wasn't the first person to think about wrapping shit in just any random metal, because, as you can see from the pictures, it doesn't work. Only lead works, and is commonly available.

These lead bags are great...

Of course...if you were really worried about someone from the USPS opening your shit, you could put your shit in the lead bag, then wrap it in white paper, then put the new ISO 21482:2007 sticker for "Ionizing Radiation" on the outside, then put it in the standard next-day envelope. I don't think they'd open that fucker once they took it out of the envelope, but hey, I am only making assumptions. Hopefully, at least the postal inspector would need life long therapy and medication to treat the PTSD he got, when he thought he was going to die from the radiation poisoning he imbibed simply from handling you radioactive package...

 

[Guest]

^ try it out, make a thread

I KNOW that it works from personal experience. You can take a look at this though:

http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1366

or this

http://www.alertmetalguard.com/Home/About-booster-bags.aspx


Of course, some people are concerned that the "Alert Metalguard" (think of it as a radar-detector detector) can find normal boost bags...they won't find a lead bag. Lead even though it is non-ferrous, is at the bottom of the scale in regard to what a "Metal Detector" can find. The signature of the lead bag simply isn't high enough to set off the alarm for this device:

http://www.alertmetalguard.com/Home/Alert-MetalGuard.aspx

Additionally, I trust lead to a high degree with the newer EAS systems, such as "Acousto-magnetic systems" and "Microwave systems".

Of course, if you really want to be a freak, you can always look into "EMF Shielding & Conductive Fabrics" and design yourself some "Thieving Pants" out of commercially made radio-proof clothing:

http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html

 

[Verite]

Kinda silly if you ask me. What the hell do you expect any decent airport security is going to do when they discover a bag or section of luggage that cant be scanned? They are going to open the piece and depending on what they find cite you from any number of things while they call the FBI and put you on some 'screw with constantly' list. The days of 'testing' airport security without consequence are long over.

 

[Guest]

Kinda silly if you ask me. What the hell do you expect any decent airport security is going to do when they discover a bag or section of luggage that cant be scanned? They are going to open the piece and depending on what they find cite you from any number of things while they call the FBI and put you on some 'screw with constantly' list. The days of 'testing' airport security without consequence are long over.

I never suggested that one should smuggle shit through the airport...only that the lead bag CAN render even the powerful scan of the CTX-5000 x-ray/explosives finder ineffective.

 

[Verite]

I wasnt directing my post towards you so much as people that would be cruising these thru airport security to 'test' for holes.

The whole point of traveling with weed is not to draw attention to you or your bags. Seems like traveling with these bags would do nothing but draw attention, especially if you arent traveling with whats supposed to be in them, film.

But now that you replied, how exactly are you 'playing' with the bags?

 

[Guest]

But now that you replied, how exactly are you 'playing' with the bags?

I have two packages going to a very badly corrupted addresss. This dude's address is without a doubt flagged...with who knows how many organizations...anyway...one package is going via UPS, the other via DHL...BOTH using the slowest rates available.

Additionally, this dude has also been questioned for ordering various chemical "precursors" for his somewhat unusual hobby pertaining to the field of "Organic Chemistry"...

I don't want to go into the specifics of packaging, because my point of origin is known to everyone because of previous threads.

All that matters is that I am using the lead baggies with two different couriers and sending them to a shitty address that resides in the same country as the sender does.

And, of course, that I am using nondescript packaging:

 

[Verite]

Wouldnt you find it safer to mix acids with bases? Maybe you should retitle this post to 'How to show up on every terrorist watchlist'.

 

[Guest]

Wouldnt you find it safer to mix acids with bases?

I'd rather mix batshit and fruitloops together, put it in a pipe, and, after adding some key circuitry, beam that fucker on over to my favorite troll.

Maybe you should retitle this post to 'How to show up on every terrorist watchlist'.

My personal experiments have nothing to do with the other users of this forum finding use out of a useful product.

 

[CantBe2High]

how about

how about

Get put weed/seeds inside a 35MM film canister (with just a bit of film poking out), the canister in the plastic bottle for the film, the film inside one of the x-ray bags. If the x-ray bag gets attention, you look at it, see its a film protector, look inside, see the film bottle, look inside that, see film. Who would try to open the film and damage the pictures? I'd think just need to be sure the weed/seeds were packaged in the film in a way to minimize odor.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Wouldnt you find it safer to mix acids with bases? Maybe you should retitle this post to 'How to show up on every terrorist watchlist'.

why are you attacking this guy like hes the next hitler?
hes merly providing useful information.

this is a lagitimate bag sold to hide/protect lagitimate goods, from lagitimate scans.

under the x-ray machine the TSA KNOWS EXACTLY what things they need to ignore look like, things they need to inspect, and by my assumeing they even know what the bags contain just by the scan, ive use x-ray bags simaler to that for films throughout the years, i roll my own black and white and enjoy amature photography. ive not once had airport TSA/inspectors look for my xray bag, probably because the small model is too small for them to worry about. it looks just like a arosol can(shaving cream comes to mind) ive had them tell me i need to open your bag, and then they go to exactly what they need (this time it happen to be a soda can) things like guns dont have the same shape under a xray box and the people reading the scaners are well trained.

mjolnir sounds like he knows a thing or two and the oh, 50 or 60 airplane flights ive been through isnt much experiance in smuggleing. but then i wasnt smuggleing i was just a passanger.

 

[Verite]

Attacking like hitler?

I appreciate your flare for dramatic interpretation but neither you or he have yet to explain how 'useful' something is that in all common sense would indicte that you would just be more noticeable, especially in this day and age.

I have had 2-3 times the amount of flights you have had and would you care to guess how many times I have been asked to open my bags? ZERO. Maybe a dozen of those flights I wasnt carrying weed since it was before I smoked, the rest I was always carrying. Surprizingly coincidental I also wasnt carrying any xray-proof bags or anything else thats going to draw attention to someone holding weed.

You also seemed to skip over my post where I already said, " The whole point of traveling with weed is not to draw attention to you or your bags. Seems like traveling with these bags would do nothing but draw attention, especially if you arent traveling with whats supposed to be in them, film. "

If I was going to go hitler attack on anyone it would probably be them folks that done murdered the word 'legitimate' three times in one sentence.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

this type of thing is for sale for the sole reason of useing it in a cary-on bag, do you know how many TSA sees in a day?

there are plenty of things that make you stand out that have nothing to do with your items.
like some idiot who didnt take there laptop out of there case, or they didnt take there keys out of there pockets.

ive never been stoped when i was doing exactly what the TSA wanted. no cans, no gels, no soda, no metal, no grief.
ive had no problems bringing joints from A to B in my wallet, toiletries bag, suitcase or on my person.

i still have yet to have my film even looked at.

i never said you were attacking like hitler i said you were attacking like HE WAS hitler. that type of phrase is called an 'analogy'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

 

[Verite]

Sorry but youre mistaken. The TSA does NOT recommend those x-ray proof bags at all or anything else that makes the x-ray scanner or its operator unsure of whats in the bag.

You are supposed to have film faster than 800 hand inspected.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/simplifly.shtm

Besides that the only thing sending them bags thru carry on is going to do is make them turn up the machine so the x-rays are higher. They only adjust it when they cant penetrate an item or tell what it is. Not exactly what you want them to do if you got film in the first place.


Straight from TSA's mouth

We recommend that you do not place your film in lead-lined bags since the lead bag will have to be hand-inspected.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1035.shtm


I stand by my statements that you would have to be nuts to try and smuggle anything in those bags anywhere near a plane.